Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That's because you're creating a straw man that only combat ships should be vulnerable, when the actual argument is that active ships should be vulnerable. An industrial ship can not kill anything, but it is still actively moving stuff from place to place. A mining barge (probably) can't kill anything, but it is still actively mining and making you ISK. An AFK cloaked ship is doing none of those things, it's just sitting there.



Or, instead of this ridiculous idea of taking weapons offline, they could just fit a cloak of their own if they want to be immune to attack while being unable to do anything but sit in space. In fact, there's another counter to cloaking: fit a cloak of your own, go AFK and do something else for a few hours, and wait for the cloaker to get frustrated with not being able to shoot you and move on to a new system.

IOW, remove the entire point of covert ops cloaks and the ships that use them. No thanks.

This is a long topic so please understand if I didn't read most of the earlier post.

as far as AFK clocking I don't see a problem if it like AFK mining as the player isn't at his computer or not watching this eve client. I think the problem that people have is camping while clocked.

As far as my thought I think you need to remember that cloaking like all stealth technology is suppose to give you an advantage over others and we shouldn't do anything that will remove that fact just because it make thing difficult. Although reworking some of the clock mechanics maybe needed by the nature if stealth technology it will not be balanced. if you want to take away the advantage of a cloak than you might as well remove it from the game all together.

major changes aren't what is needed. a small change may make enough of a difference to give other ships a chance.

one of this changes my be adding a limit to how long you can stay clocked. it will still need to be long enough so not to destroy the game play. id say around 15 to 20 min with a 2 min cool down.

another way would be to introduce module designed to counter clocked ship with in reason.
I would recommend two types of modules
an active sensor the would send out a pose like a smart boom. this pulse would make a clocked ship look translucent for 20 sec and be able to be targeted for that time but the pulse would have limited range and long intervals. 5k for small 10k foe mid and 20k for large and a 90 sec interval. the fitting requirement would be similar to a booster of similar size and be mounted in a mid slot

a passive sensor would show sensor anomalies and allow you to target them with similar range as listed above but for every ship on grid there will be 2 to 5 anomalies depended on skill lv. the anomalies will have a signature radius of 5 so may take some time to target depending the ships sensor strength it will be fitting requirement would be half or a third of the active and be mounted in a low slot.

a clocked ship will know if a ship is using an active sensor duo to the visual effects but will only know about the passive when he is being targeted.

this may allow you to limit some of the power without removing the gameplay.

But as you have been made aware numerous times before, being active entails risk. Maybe not large risk, but risk none-the-less. If you use d-scan, find a POS and warp to it, you could be warping into an anchored bubble or warping next to an object in space and being decloaked.

The only way to maintain 100% safety is to sit a safe and use d-scan. Wow...horrible.

what do you mean by retain the benefits of local? and how is me post improving the safety of the cloaked ship?

Local is the primary intel system in NS. Further, local will give a person already in system advanced warning somebody has entered system.

Your suggestions for cloaking devices will make you safer. It not only makes it difficult t AFK cloak, but also ATK cloak.

But why? Why is a major nerf to cloaking required? Until you can answer that question any discussion of how to nerf cloaks is a solution in need of a problem. And you have utterly failed to provide a convincing answer besides "I really want to hunt cloaked ships".

Is anyone aware about that you can decloak someone already?

Awfully helpful if you have a bubble up....warp to whatever the bubble is providing some defense for from different celestials to make sure it is "working" and also to drop cans.

It is possible to avoid them, and it is not trivial.

As usual we have Mike making everything he disapprove of super easy, while he and his kind bear all the burden.

Edit: And how can an AFK player warp around?