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Mining Barges- Procurer

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Grand Moff Tarkin1
Watchers in the Dark
The Unforgiven Chapter
#1 - 2017-03-08 20:56:26 UTC
Hi, so i'm wondering if you guys agree CCP should make the mining barge the Procurer an alpha ship but raise the price A LOT!
I like the Venture...but we need just ONE MORE ORE ship that is an Alpha ship. I hope all you pilots out there can agree with me (the ones whom love mining)
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#2 - 2017-03-08 21:09:42 UTC
NO! As a miner HELL NO!! Broken rorquals are bad enough for mining but alpha barges is unacceptable.

Now another mining ship perhaps for alphas but my question to you is game play vs safety vs isk making and the ability to bot and afk. Where would the gain be? What risks would you build into the system inherently?

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#3 - 2017-03-08 23:21:17 UTC
With mining 4 you can fit T2 mining lasers. Mining upgrades 4 lets you fit a T2 Mining laser upgrade and Mining frigate 4 gives you most of the hull bonus.

A maximum skill Alpha Venture really isn't that far behind a minimum skill Procurer. Factor in the speed with which the frigate can unload and you're probably close to 2/3 the yield.

Focus on an ore like Plagioclase that contains a decent amount of Mexallon and you can make a living Venture mining. Buy orders for compressed plagioclase are 6,866.59 ISK in Jita.

If you want more - subscribe. If you enjoy the game it should be worth 28 cents a day to have full access using the upgrade promotion https://secure.eveonline.com/upgrade/

Add some passive income activities like PI and you'll probably be in a position to PLEX the account before the subscription is up for renewal.
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#4 - 2017-03-08 23:45:34 UTC
No.

Since the introduction of Alphas we've seen several threads asking for more stuff for Alphas. Give me more, give me more, give me more.

I understand the sentiment, I just don't agree with it. If you want more, subscribe.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#5 - 2017-03-08 23:56:57 UTC
The price of the ship is based on the materials that go in to it plus whatever mark-up the market will bear. There is a way to get to use a mining barge with a huge price mark-up. You go buy a PLEX roughly 1 billion isk each month.

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#6 - 2017-03-09 00:47:28 UTC
Grand Moff Tarkin1 wrote:
Hi, so i'm wondering if you guys agree CCP should make the mining barge the Procurer an alpha ship but raise the price A LOT!
I like the Venture...but we need just ONE MORE ORE ship that is an Alpha ship. I hope all you pilots out there can agree with me (the ones whom love mining)

I don't agree, but still I'd like to ask you two questions:
Do you have any arguments to back your claim?
Why the procurer? Why not the Retriever or the Covetor?

Remove standings and insurance.

Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#7 - 2017-03-09 00:49:23 UTC
You know... on second thought I think the OP has a good idea....

We need a gold procurer. It can be bought for the price of a single plex, every month and it will be shiney golden in color. If you dont pay for it every month it wont be gold and its just a deal for alphas.Twisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

hmu-smh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2017-03-09 01:27:29 UTC
Calm down, miner..
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#9 - 2017-03-09 07:35:21 UTC
It should definitely be the Covertor
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#10 - 2017-03-09 08:43:41 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
No.

Since the introduction of Alphas we've seen several threads asking for more stuff for Alphas. Give me more, give me more, give me more.

I understand the sentiment, I just don't agree with it. If you want more, subscribe.


give a man an inch and he'll take a mile.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#11 - 2017-03-09 14:40:28 UTC
I still say the only thing we need is active moon mining with ventures and special new goo lasers. Where warping to 0 to a moon actually lands you near the surface of the moon to actively mine it from there as you float a few kms above the surface moving your ship around with the WASD keys and manually point your lasers at the surface hot spots while doing geological scans of the surrounding areas with an interface similar to dscan and looks like a PI overlay on the surface. The goo lasers nullify the ventures +2 warp stabs though so be careful. Then there are 5 different scan areas for gases, and the 4 R-type goos as there are 5 different laser crystals. You dont know which is there until you mine it, just that there are some of that type nearby. So you might get a few cobalt, a scandium and a bunch of tungsten but no titanium, then a fair but of tungsten, one titanium, and nothing else until the hot spot is either depleted entirely or you move on to better pastures and therefore isk/hr.

But all moons must NOT have the same goo types as the standard goo mining available, would make it to easy.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#12 - 2017-03-09 14:55:40 UTC
Grand Moff Tarkin1 wrote:
I like the Venture...

And the Procurer can be yours for the low, low price of $9.95USD per month! Everybody wins!

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Wolfgang Jannesen
Line Ark Security Service Incorperated
#13 - 2017-03-09 15:37:21 UTC
I am absolutely against giving alpha players access to more than they already can, but ESPECIALLY not mining barges! He abuse would begin immediately in hisec, good luck finding a backwater system that doesn't have 25 alpha clones stripping belts.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#14 - 2017-03-09 18:49:55 UTC
Yeah, no barges for alphas. Sorry...

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com

Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#15 - 2017-03-09 18:58:56 UTC
Grand Moff Tarkin1 wrote:
Hi, so i'm wondering if you guys agree CCP should make the mining barge the Procurer an alpha ship but raise the price A LOT!
I like the Venture...but we need just ONE MORE ORE ship that is an Alpha ship. I hope all you pilots out there can agree with me (the ones whom love mining)


No.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#16 - 2017-03-09 19:04:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
I don't know...

On the one hand, I like that with the influx of Alpha miners mineral prices have dropped significantly and would drop even further if the OP had his way.

On the other hand, I don't get to sell my ships for as much.

But from CCP's perspective, it reduces the incentive for miners to upgrade to Omega which defeats the purpose of Alphas altogether. So while it probably wouldn't affect my personal play style, it would not be good for the game.

Mr Epeen Cool
Cade Windstalker
#17 - 2017-03-09 20:04:24 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I don't know...

One the one hand, I like that with the influx of Alpha miners mineral prices have dropped significantly and would drop even further if the OP had his way.

One the other hand, I don't get to sell my ships for as much.

But from CCP's perspective, it reduces the incentive for miners to upgrade to Omega, which defeats the purpose of Alphas altogether. So while it probably wouldn't affect my personal play style, it would not be good for the game.

Mr Epeen Cool


It's not the alpha miners that have dropped prices... it's the massive influx of Rorquals Lol
Elenahina
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#18 - 2017-03-10 12:49:02 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
I don't know...

One the one hand, I like that with the influx of Alpha miners mineral prices have dropped significantly and would drop even further if the OP had his way.

One the other hand, I don't get to sell my ships for as much.

But from CCP's perspective, it reduces the incentive for miners to upgrade to Omega, which defeats the purpose of Alphas altogether. So while it probably wouldn't affect my personal play style, it would not be good for the game.

Mr Epeen Cool


It's not the alpha miners that have dropped prices... it's the massive influx of Rorquals Lol


Honestly, I think it's really some of both. Mining in Ventures may not be as quick, but if you can launch ten of them at a time, you're still going to turn a lot of rocks into gravel.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Ijon-Tichy
Ze One Man Show
#19 - 2017-03-10 13:52:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ijon-Tichy
Grand Moff Tarkin1 wrote:
Hi, so i'm wondering if you guys agree CCP should make the mining barge the Procurer an alpha ship but raise the price A LOT!
I like the Venture...but we need just ONE MORE ORE ship that is an Alpha ship. I hope all you pilots out there can agree with me (the ones whom love mining)


Raise the price a LOT? A LOT is multiplying the price, so we are talking about 30 to150 mio. ISK Procurers?

The point of the Procurer is that it has a good risk/profit ratio. If it was a LOT more expensive this would kill the ship's concept. There would be zero point in using a Procurer because it would go from "last ship to gank" to "first ship to gank". It is 75 times the price of a Venture already, make it 150+ times the price and everyone will tell you: "Don't use the Procurere, it is a trap."

If CCP would see the need to do more for mining Alphas (personaly I don't see it) the Venture is a great little ship) they would probably do something to make players work togther, like bringing back the Primae as a (limited?) "free for all" mining booster ship.

Just thinking, you could use the Gnosis for that, right? it get's a 25% bonus to links, that should work with mining links too. Anyone seen a Gnosis boosted fleet of Ventures out there? And it can fleet a set of Mining Drones too.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#20 - 2017-03-10 16:06:20 UTC
I think we should remove the ability for Alphas to start threads on these forums. Better yet, read only.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

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