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zatazon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-01-21 16:52:20 UTC
So I am training up an alt to fly Gallente ships up to BC's. My question is which is ship is the best drone boat for T1? My plan is to warp in after my main has aggro drop sentries and assign them to assist my main.

Should I alter this plan and train up to BS for the Domi or is there a cruiser or BC that can do the job just as well?
Grozdan Boyadijev
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-01-21 16:55:55 UTC
zatazon wrote:
So I am training up an alt to fly Gallente ships up to BC's. My question is which is ship is the best drone boat for T1? My plan is to warp in after my main has aggro drop sentries and assign them to assist my main.

Should I alter this plan and train up to BS for the Domi or is there a cruiser or BC that can do the job just as well?


For T1 ships, you're going to need a Domi if you want to drop a full flight of sentries, as none of the cruisers or BCs have enough bandwidth to control 5 sentries. A Myrmidon can handle 3, which is alright, but you may as well skip BCs and go straight for the Domi if you want an alt to just assign sentries to you.
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-01-21 17:52:52 UTC
Actually i´m note sure if assigning sentry drones will work at all, as sentries don´t move (well nearly dont move). IF it will work it will be a pain in the a** as you always will have to babysit your sentries.

For me, as a gallente droneboater, i´m quite used to it (if in my domi or in my ishtar), but i assume you will have to multibox your second accout to make your sentries useful.

When bringing a domi as a second ship to the field, you will have to manage your sentries manually, as even when set "aggressive" they wont do anything, as your domi has no aggro.

Just saying.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#4 - 2012-01-21 17:55:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
The only sub-battleships that can deploy a full flight of sentries are the gila and ishtar, which are quite expensive and take a while to train for (respectively). You might try a vexor or myrm with a flight of medium drones till the alt is in a domi....they can apply decent dps to Just about anything you might be shooting.


Also, assisted drones cane be annoying to manage, but IMO not as much as a second gun/missile ship...

thhief ghabmoef
zatazon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-21 17:59:01 UTC
Ok so I'm better off just training up to T2 lights or something to get some added dps and help with the frigs then?
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-01-21 18:11:04 UTC
zatazon wrote:
Ok so I'm better off just training up to T2 lights or something to get some added dps and help with the frigs then?


Big difference from T1 to T2, lets say Hobgoblins with maxed out drone skills. They "one shoot" most of the rat frigs, beside the odd elite frigs. You will want this, sooner or later.
zatazon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-01-21 18:13:28 UTC
Ok thanks, I guess my training list just got a lot longer but oh well sounds like T2 lights are gonna be the best bet for me
Freyya
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-01-22 01:15:11 UTC
You will want t2 drones anyway. The difference is worth it. You can assign drones to defend a fleetmate which will get them to agress any npc that agresses the one you assigned them to afaik. Problem is that with multiple waves the npcs will agress a drone (or multiple). Fitting the domi with rem armor reps and keeping them cycling on the sentries might work. The sentries wont agress npcs attacking the domi btw so keep an eye on it aswell.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-01-22 01:28:20 UTC
go Ishkur --> Ishtar. focus on T2 sentry drones, which will allow you to start making serious isk. t2 heavies are only good for pvp and you can leave them till later.
Xenuria
#10 - 2012-01-22 02:23:15 UTC
Drones do HORRIBLE damage when compared with blaster boats...
If you want to make isk doing missions then drones are a terrible idea.

CSM 12 Candidate
Freyya
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-01-22 11:51:50 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Drones do HORRIBLE damage when compared with blaster boats...
If you want to make isk doing missions then drones are a terrible idea.


Srsly, drones compared with blaster boats? .....whut?!
Someone needs to learn how a domi/gila/ishtar mission boat is used and fitted....using drones to make isk with missions is a terrible idea...Guess that explains why so many people use drone boats next to ravens and such for missions right?
zatazon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-01-22 14:13:25 UTC
My main (this toon) flys a drake, raven, or rattlesnake when I mission. I know they are not the most efficient but I enjoy them. What I am looking for is adding a drone boat to my alt so after I pull most of the aggro on main, he flys in throws out drones and now the frigs get popped quicker and mission done sooner.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-01-22 14:17:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
zatazon wrote:
My main (this toon) flys a drake, raven, or rattlesnake when I mission. I know they are not the most efficient but I enjoy them. What I am looking for is adding a drone boat to my alt so after I pull most of the aggro on main, he flys in throws out drones and now the frigs get popped quicker and mission done sooner.



Rattler is arguably the best drone boat short of a carrier.

Its has a fck off tank, without the calibration restraints of the navy domi. ....Ishtar is the next best bet really, or Gila.
Lili Lu
#14 - 2012-01-22 14:45:29 UTC
Freyya wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Drones do HORRIBLE damage when compared with blaster boats...
If you want to make isk doing missions then drones are a terrible idea.


Srsly, drones compared with blaster boats? .....whut?!
Someone needs to learn how a domi/gila/ishtar mission boat is used and fitted....using drones to make isk with missions is a terrible idea...Guess that explains why so many people use drone boats next to ravens and such for missions right?

hook, line, and sinker P
Mavnas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-01-23 06:29:53 UTC
Doesn't the Domi do more rail DPS than sentry DPS at this point?
Julia Allrian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-01-23 07:58:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Julia Allrian
Yes, the Domi can also be fitted with guns. Not a full rack 425mm but 5x350mm (but if am not mistaken the navy domi can take 6x 425mm)

If you fit Guns AND Drones (maybe also 2 sentry rigs) then the ship really shines. But that requires a fair amount of skills to be able to fit that all.
Also, you don't need much skills to get the dominix to do the job, but the more skills you get, the more you see her burn through enemies.

I would suggest the OP to train for a Dominix and just let the drones assist to the main. (just ignore the myrmidon for your needs, although it is a really nice ship)
When the next wave spawns and the main does not get targeted by all you see that anyway and just kill the ones first. The drone hp bonus works quite well for that.


Important: T2 drones, Small/Medium and Sentries, you will notice the difference

Edit: Spelling
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-01-23 08:54:22 UTC
Mavnas wrote:
Doesn't the Domi do more rail DPS than sentry DPS at this point?


Standard Domi and 350mm ......its close........navy issue with 425mm ways did more.

Navy can't load two drone damage rigs though, and needs near perfect skills.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-01-23 08:54:46 UTC
Mavnas wrote:
Doesn't the Domi do more rail DPS than sentry DPS at this point?


Standard Domi and 350mm ......its close........navy issue with 425mm ways did more.

Navy can't load two drone damage rigs though, and needs near perfect skills.
Asudem
Black Spear.
#19 - 2012-01-23 10:22:15 UTC
zatazon wrote:
So I am training up an alt to fly Gallente ships up to BC's. My question is which is ship is the best drone boat for T1? My plan is to warp in after my main has aggro drop sentries and assign them to assist my main.

Should I alter this plan and train up to BS for the Domi or is there a cruiser or BC that can do the job just as well?


I would recommend Domi or even Rattlesnake. But I think sentries are the worst drones of all for missions. The range is limited, they cannot move and they have a horrbible tracking... I am using Ogre/Berserker or Hobgoblin depending on the enemy and I have 2 Drone links on my Rattlesnake so I can kill NPCs in a range long befor the sentries can hit anything (85km) like in Blockade to blitz that mission.


Freyya wrote:
Someone needs to learn how a domi/gila/ishtar mission boat is used and fitted....using drones to make isk with missions is a terrible idea...Guess that explains why so many people use drone boats next to ravens and such for missions right?


To be a smart ass: If you talk about ISK/h than yes. Otherwise, if you are just lazy and up to 50 mil ISK per hour is enough for you, you can just park there while you have stage aggro and watch p.o.r.n.s. or clean up the mess with an alt. Not very effective, but watching your drones eating all those poor rats is some sort of... entertainment.
Freyya
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-01-23 14:12:31 UTC
Asudem wrote:
zatazon wrote:
So I am training up an alt to fly Gallente ships up to BC's. My question is which is ship is the best drone boat for T1? My plan is to warp in after my main has aggro drop sentries and assign them to assist my main.

Should I alter this plan and train up to BS for the Domi or is there a cruiser or BC that can do the job just as well?


I would recommend Domi or even Rattlesnake. But I think sentries are the worst drones of all for missions. The range is limited, they cannot move and they have a horrbible tracking... I am using Ogre/Berserker or Hobgoblin depending on the enemy and I have 2 Drone links on my Rattlesnake so I can kill NPCs in a range long befor the sentries can hit anything (85km) like in Blockade to blitz that mission.


Freyya wrote:
Someone needs to learn how a domi/gila/ishtar mission boat is used and fitted....using drones to make isk with missions is a terrible idea...Guess that explains why so many people use drone boats next to ravens and such for missions right?


To be a smart ass: If you talk about ISK/h than yes. Otherwise, if you are just lazy and up to 50 mil ISK per hour is enough for you, you can just park there while you have stage aggro and watch p.o.r.n.s. or clean up the mess with an alt. Not very effective, but watching your drones eating all those poor rats is some sort of... entertainment.


I think you're doing something wrong. T2 bouncers, 1 or 2 fed navy omnidirectional and a drone link. Combined with a sentry damage rig they pop most of the frigs and destroyers before your heavies or even mediums get @ 85 km. Yes bouncers still hit pretty reliably @ 85 km. Sentries are by far the best usable drones for missions since you use bouncers for med to long and garde's for short to med. If you really wanted you can fit for dmg type each mission but i find the 2 do the work just fine. Combined with rails it works like a charm. If a sentry gets targetted just pull it in. Good chance a heavy or med will pop before it returned to your drone bay. It'll give you a repairbill at the end of your mission in any case.
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