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Toxic Yaken for CSM - A Message to C&P

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#21 - 2017-03-08 22:21:38 UTC
Natural CloneKiller wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:
VMG will NOT be endorsing this csm candidate. Too many changes to the mechanics proposed. We disagree on so many points sorry. Be gone!

I feel like it's about the risk factor (read: redder kb) Yak suggests
Highsec merc'ing (read hub camping) is so stagnant that even mining is more thrilling lol

But yeah, come on Discord and give your ideas on what would make merc'ing a funner, more complete experience..



The only problem with high sec is the ganking cost ratio. If you want to point any fingers at high sec look at the cost of ships ganked in burn jita vs the cost of ships used.

Lets put it this way if there are too many changes to merc work in high sec we might as well all become gankers and watch the world burn.

There were too many changes to Merc work in highsec, inadvertent ones anyway ,
And anyone who wasn't already hugging a hub or borderline autistic actually may as well become gankers and watch the world burn.
If you have any interest in unfucking the current situation the vote for toxic.

Starrakatt
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#22 - 2017-03-09 01:16:49 UTC
I vote for Toxic.

Hisec warfare has turned into a borefest, except for those hub huggers degenerates (stealing your words Ralph) for which the Watchlist removal didn't change anything.

Changes that can enliven Wardeccing (or any gameplay) is welcome in my book. Stagnation is death, changes force you to get out of your comfort zone and renew gaming interest.

+1
Toxic Yaken
Slavers Union
Something Really Pretentious
#23 - 2017-03-09 05:31:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Toxic Yaken
Natural CloneKiller wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:
VMG will NOT be endorsing this csm candidate. Too many changes to the mechanics proposed. We disagree on so many points sorry. Be gone!

I feel like it's about the risk factor (read: redder kb) Yak suggests
Highsec merc'ing (read hub camping) is so stagnant that even mining is more thrilling lol

But yeah, come on Discord and give your ideas on what would make merc'ing a funner, more complete experience..



The only problem with high sec is the ganking cost ratio. If you want to point any fingers at high sec look at the cost of ships ganked in burn jita vs the cost of ships used.

Lets put it this way if there are too many changes to merc work in high sec we might as well all become gankers and watch the world burn.


I need to make something clear here - the CSM has absolutely no ability to change wardecs. CCP isn't about to turn wars and crimewatch if I get elected, and the current CSM has already made it clear that these aspects of the game aren't a focus of the short-term roadmap. Stuff like allies to repping eachother while in combat and getting suspect timers is obviously fucky mechanics, and CCP hasn't even made a pass to change that. The point I'm trying to make here is that every candidate's platform regarding certain topics should give you an impression of what that players sees wrong those aspects of the game and not take every comment as a promise. What I am promising is that if elected, I will be a voice for the wardeccing playstyle when CCP proposes changes that could potentially have a profound impact like the removal of watchlists had.

If you have concerns with certain aspects of what I talk about in my platform you should address them. Are there specific points that you disagree with? Or are you more concerned with the slippery "one more nerf" slope? In the odd case that the subject of wars DOES come up with CCP I'd like to be informed as possible.

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Natural CloneKiller
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#24 - 2017-03-09 07:02:26 UTC
Starrakatt wrote:
I vote for Toxic.

Hisec warfare has turned into a borefest, except for those hub huggers degenerates (stealing your words Ralph) for which the Watchlist removal didn't change anything.

Changes that can enliven Wardeccing (or any gameplay) is welcome in my book. Stagnation is death, changes force you to get out of your comfort zone and renew gaming interest.

+1

All I see hear is tears....
Natural CloneKiller
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#25 - 2017-03-09 07:07:42 UTC
Toxic Yaken wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:
VMG will NOT be endorsing this csm candidate. Too many changes to the mechanics proposed. We disagree on so many points sorry. Be gone!

I feel like it's about the risk factor (read: redder kb) Yak suggests
Highsec merc'ing (read hub camping) is so stagnant that even mining is more thrilling lol

But yeah, come on Discord and give your ideas on what would make merc'ing a funner, more complete experience..



The only problem with high sec is the ganking cost ratio. If you want to point any fingers at high sec look at the cost of ships ganked in burn jita vs the cost of ships used.

Lets put it this way if there are too many changes to merc work in high sec we might as well all become gankers and watch the world burn.


I need to make something clear here - the CSM has absolutely no ability to change wardecs. CCP isn't about to turn wars and crimewatch if I get elected, and the current CSM has already made it clear that these aspects of the game aren't a focus of the short-term roadmap. Stuff like allies to repping eachother while in combat and getting suspect timers is obviously fucky mechanics, and CCP hasn't even made a pass to change that. The point I'm trying to make here is that every candidate's platform regarding certain topics should give you an impression of what that players sees wrong those aspects of the game and not take every comment as a promise. What I am promising is that if elected, I will be a voice for the wardeccing playstyle when CCP proposes changes that could potentially have a profound impact like the removal of watchlists had.

If you have concerns with certain aspects of what I talk about in my platform you should address them. Are there specific points that you disagree with? Or are you more concerned with the slippery "one more nerf" slope? In the odd case that the subject of wars DOES come up with CCP I'd like to be informed as possible.




The csm need to focus on telling ccp to focus on fixing bugs and giving us cool content. Leave war decs and move on. For me war decs are a fundamental part of what makes eve online.
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#26 - 2017-03-09 11:27:08 UTC
Natural CloneKiller wrote:
Starrakatt wrote:
I vote for Toxic.

Hisec warfare has turned into a borefest, except for those hub huggers degenerates (stealing your words Ralph) for which the Watchlist removal didn't change anything.

Changes that can enliven Wardeccing (or any gameplay) is welcome in my book. Stagnation is death, changes force you to get out of your comfort zone and renew gaming interest.

+1

All I see hear is tears....

Here, and there's no tears just you trying to bring a good guy down by not making much sense. You are a bad example of a troll, just go back to camping the vmg Merc forum post and jita already like a good little boy.

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!

Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#27 - 2017-03-09 12:16:54 UTC
Natural CloneKiller wrote:
Toxic Yaken wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:
VMG will NOT be endorsing this csm candidate. Too many changes to the mechanics proposed. We disagree on so many points sorry. Be gone!

I feel like it's about the risk factor (read: redder kb) Yak suggests
Highsec merc'ing (read hub camping) is so stagnant that even mining is more thrilling lol

But yeah, come on Discord and give your ideas on what would make merc'ing a funner, more complete experience..



The only problem with high sec is the ganking cost ratio. If you want to point any fingers at high sec look at the cost of ships ganked in burn jita vs the cost of ships used.

Lets put it this way if there are too many changes to merc work in high sec we might as well all become gankers and watch the world burn.


I need to make something clear here - the CSM has absolutely no ability to change wardecs. CCP isn't about to turn wars and crimewatch if I get elected, and the current CSM has already made it clear that these aspects of the game aren't a focus of the short-term roadmap. Stuff like allies to repping eachother while in combat and getting suspect timers is obviously fucky mechanics, and CCP hasn't even made a pass to change that. The point I'm trying to make here is that every candidate's platform regarding certain topics should give you an impression of what that players sees wrong those aspects of the game and not take every comment as a promise. What I am promising is that if elected, I will be a voice for the wardeccing playstyle when CCP proposes changes that could potentially have a profound impact like the removal of watchlists had.

If you have concerns with certain aspects of what I talk about in my platform you should address them. Are there specific points that you disagree with? Or are you more concerned with the slippery "one more nerf" slope? In the odd case that the subject of wars DOES come up with CCP I'd like to be informed as possible.




The csm need to focus on telling ccp to focus on fixing bugs and giving us cool content. Leave war decs and move on. For me war decs are a fundamental part of what makes eve online.


I do also feel like war decs are fundamental part of what makes eve, but the way it been done has also changed drastic the last years. The merc community is totally changed on its head since 2013, there's no longer one big group deccing everything and the rest hunters and smaller local warchiefs. Now even the smaller alliances just launch hundred decs to "get started"

As Toxic says.. he will be a voice that will be against ******* it up even more. And I personally think he is more suited than any of the block representatives that wants an "opt out" of wars... because of all the blanket decs?

Dont get me wrong tho... One man should be allowed to dec as many he wants or can afford, but it should not be the goto approach when it comes to wardecs imho.


Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#28 - 2017-03-12 23:29:42 UTC
I haven't voted in a couple of years now and for various reasons I won't do so this season either.

I probably could be motivated to vote for Ralph, though I most likely would do him no service by doing so.

Remove standings and insurance.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#29 - 2017-03-12 23:48:24 UTC
*tips imaginary hat*
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2017-03-14 17:54:07 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Came expecting to post, "Who the fuk are you Yak?"

Am leaving ashamed that I had no clue who Yak is.

Vote Yak 2017.


Toxic is a bro.

I'll be voting for him, and so should you. I'll also vote for the candidates he endorses. Let's hope we can change the CSM for the better.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2017-03-14 17:56:50 UTC
Lord Razpataz wrote:

Dont get me wrong tho... One man should be allowed to dec as many he wants or can afford, but it should not be the goto approach when it comes to wardecs imho.



Agreed. Blanket decs should be possible, but smaller targeted wars should be go to preferred method. Or at least they should be viable.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Moon Moon Burdy
New Eden Tech Support
#32 - 2017-03-15 03:28:27 UTC
Boss says you're the guy, others I respect say you're the guy. Ok, you're the guy. You got my vote.

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Toxic Yaken
Slavers Union
Something Really Pretentious
#33 - 2017-03-16 04:58:18 UTC
Moon Moon Burdy wrote:
Boss says you're the guy, others I respect say you're the guy. Ok, you're the guy. You got my vote.


The guy appreciates your support. Pirate

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Valkin Mordirc
#34 - 2017-03-16 06:16:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
My whole issue with EVE is that Highsec IS stagnate.

Dynamics and flux in Highsec has largely diminished over the years I've been playing. I haven't been active as of late. But that because the lack of change. I understand a lot of people dislike change if it upsets the way they play directly. We were all upset with the buddy list. However taking a wider view on the situation and seeing that Highsec is nothing more the a bloated horse floating down stream, in my opinion is easily seen.

You can see the dynamics for merc corps by the amount that around. CCP has repeatedly made it harder for small 10ish man corps to wardec and have content. While at the same time pushing the Large Wardeccing Highsec Alliance, Saying that isn't case is full blow lie. Multiple people, have said this.

And there should always been smaller fish. If the system keeps moving in the way it does, it'll be completely impossible to make a low income wardec corp.

(Not EVE is dying, Null sec is fluid and always changing, we all obviously know that Null is what keep EVE running)

However asides from randomly rolling a scout out, and scrounge around the corners of highsec hoping to find a corp/alice you are wardeced is pitifully ineffective. All highsec corps are very nomadic, the smartest ones, can pack up POS'es in about a day and be off in some other region before you even have time to truly react to the activation of the dec.

You can pre-scout a target, but again if they are smart, they will move. Which due to how scattered most Highsec Alliances and corps are, good luck trying to find a home system. That's assuming they have a home system, as asides from mining ops, having a system to use as a logistical home base is largely pointless.

Missioners are easy to catch as long as you have an idea of what missions they are running, largely deccing SOE runners and check lagi and Osmon is a way to make it easier, but again smart mission runners will just run another agent away from where they might've been caught. The logic deduction to understanding why a dec lands on you is pretty easy, if you're in a popular lvl4 mission system and you get decced while running mission the conclusion isn't that hard to make.

The game hasn't changed in a long time, and the only few changes that have happened are backwash from Null. Buddy list, Citadels and so on.

I really think it's time for CCP is start rethinking how Highsec behaves, and change the way it functions in order to make the Highsec playerbase interested again. Changing its dynamics both in veterans and the newbro's. Highsec is NPE and making it so the Newbro's understand how Highsec work needs huge reworks is revitalize the start of it games. If your core and start of the game decays it'll stop people from getting to a place they might enjoy.
#DeleteTheWeak
Toxic Yaken
Slavers Union
Something Really Pretentious
#35 - 2017-03-16 15:06:45 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:

I really think it's time for CCP is start rethinking how Highsec behaves, and change the way it functions in order to make the Highsec playerbase interested again. Changing its dynamics both in veterans and the newbro's. Highsec is NPE and making it so the Newbro's understand how Highsec work needs huge reworks is revitalize the start of it games. If your core and start of the game decays it'll stop people from getting to a place they might enjoy.


I agree with you completely. I'm sure that there are a lot of concerns about revisiting Highsec as a whole because CCP could make genuine improvements to the Highsec experience or further stagnate our gameplay... but it's something worth discussing. My concern right now is the potential lack of Highsec representation for CSM XII if these kinds of discussions occur.

Always open to hear suggestions for ways to change Highsec by the way, and there's also the Wardec Project discord! Blink

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Sivar Ahishatsu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2017-03-17 02:53:50 UTC
Hello Mr Toxic Yaken,

My friends and I from Highsec will be voting for a candidate who is proposing a better Justice system for Highsec to protect the weak and innocent and reduce and deter criminal behaviours.

Nevertheless good luck to you in your campaign.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#37 - 2017-03-17 03:42:35 UTC
Sivar Ahishatsu wrote:
Hello Mr Toxic Yaken,

My friends and I from Highsec will be voting for a candidate who is proposing a better Justice system for Highsec to protect the weak and innocent and reduce and deter criminal behaviours.

Nevertheless good luck to you in your campaign.

The game is based on people doing what they want (also known as a sandbox)

Quote:
Make highsec larger
Delete lowsec
Delete suicide ganking
There are no penalties to suicide ganking
Ganking is driving away new players
EVE would be as big as WoW if ganking was removed
EVE forces players to play as criminals
Shooting people who are AFK is bad


This is clearly restricting a lot of that freedom to play how we want Roll

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Valkin Mordirc
#38 - 2017-03-17 05:09:33 UTC
Sivar Ahishatsu wrote:
Hello Mr Toxic Yaken,

My friends and I from Highsec will be voting for a candidate who is proposing a better Justice system for Highsec to protect the weak and innocent and reduce and deter criminal behaviours.

Nevertheless good luck to you in your campaign.



Highsec and EVE in general is supposed to have a ever present danger effect. Demanding that the game protect those to lazy to protect themselves goes against the concept of EVE online. This in evident by past marketing campaigns made by CCP themselves.

That and Highsec is perfectly safe if you put in the effort to make it so. It's the easiest it's been since the game started.


But I'm guess the only reason you came here was to get people to respond to you?
#DeleteTheWeak
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#39 - 2017-03-17 05:40:04 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Sivar Ahishatsu wrote:
Hello Mr Toxic Yaken,

My friends and I from Highsec will be voting for a candidate who is proposing a better Justice system for Highsec to protect the weak and innocent and reduce and deter criminal behaviours.

Nevertheless good luck to you in your campaign.



Highsec and EVE in general is supposed to have a ever present danger effect. Demanding that the game protect those to lazy to protect themselves goes against the concept of EVE online. This in evident by past marketing campaigns made by CCP themselves.

That and Highsec is perfectly safe if you put in the effort to make it so. It's the easiest it's been since the game started.


But I'm guess the only reason you came here was to get people to respond to you?

He has to get his interactions somewhere Blink

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Toxic Yaken
Slavers Union
Something Really Pretentious
#40 - 2017-03-17 06:52:50 UTC
Sivar Ahishatsu wrote:
Hello Mr Toxic Yaken,

My friends and I from Highsec will be voting for a candidate who is proposing a better Justice system for Highsec to protect the weak and innocent and reduce and deter criminal behaviours.

Nevertheless good luck to you in your campaign.


Highsec doesn't need to be made safer by CCP, it needs to be made safer by the players.

The only kind of change like that I would support would be shifting from relying on more player driven justice over that of NPC justice. I'd love to see players being able to be the ones defending eachother and getting revenge in a way that's actually fun. I have no intention to support changes that make it harder to be a criminal just for the sake of making it safer for everyone else.

I hope you can find someone you feel represents your interests this year.

Toxic Pirate

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