EVE General Discussion

Yes, it was naive in that people will not price differentials and take advantage of the arbitrage opportunity--i.e. you have no idea if the person you are buying from is a "local producer".

Further, why would you do this? The name of the game in commerce is lowering your costs. Costs are bad. That is why firms are always looking for ways to minimize them. And in doing so the effect is to eventually lower the price to the consumer thus making lots of people better off. And specialization and economies of scale also suggest, in general, that small local production is usually going to be more costly...and remember costs are bad.



Yes, of course. The amount of stuff on any market is limited to the extent of the market. If you have a station or citadel and you have locked 99% of the player population out...you have a very thin market. Notice that Jita 4-4 nobody is locked out. Same with Amarr, and Hek and Dodixie. Those markets are thick, by comparison.



Be honest, were you CCP Greyscale? That was his hideous idea: It would be awesome if we made moving stuff to NS absolutely horrible. We'd turn a video game set in a dystopian future into a dystopian video game where the idea of moving a few ships makes you want to vomit.

You are trying to push on a rope here. The way to make NS industry grow is to make NS industry more viable, not gimp moving stuff around. And CCP has been trying to move in that direction with citadels, engineering complexes and the changes to rorquals. We could even add the rebalance to ores in terms of the minerals they yield when refined. This might be enough, but removing the fatigue bonus prematurely won't help any. I'd say we wait and see how things go. Too bad CCP will not be reporting regional economic statistics anymore.

When you play chess do you move your knights diagonally because "screw those idiots that invented chess"?

It's not even trolling is it you really are this dense

EDIT : Yes OP transport is indeed too easy. The addition of jump freighters all but removed industrial traffic through lowsec / nulsec gates. This removed the need for escorts which were a great mechanic both for hunters and the defenders alike. Industrial traffic drove conflict and meant that a supply chain was something that was actually hard to do on a grand scale in the far reaches of nul. Capita; jump bridges famously made nulsec more empty rather than more active, because the power blocks could beam their cap fleet essentially anywhere in their territory at a moments notice. This reduced conflict in the area it was supposed to boost. In much the same way, Jump Freighters have allowed supplies to cover huge distances with no exterior player involvement if done correctly.

Some people will create a straw man argument, yelling that PvP players just don't like jump drives because they get less kills. They divert attention from the fact that EvE runs on kills and nothing else. Reducing conflict over a large area creates stagnance that filters through to every player at every level.

The problem is a player and CCP problem.

Players because they lock others out of their space meaning the guys who aren't in alliance who would love to ship goods to null can't dock and would get killed even if they could and CCPs for not creating incentives and mechanics which would reward alliances for allowing non-alliance traders to supply them.

Thinking about it more, they're probably right. Small alliances are already fighting an uphill battle compared to the blobs. If you're one of the huge groups, you might use Jita instead of mass manufacturing because its cheaper and easier, but if you've got the right moons you've always got the option to do it the harder way if you have to. If you're a smaller alliance with less moon access then presumably you don't really have any choice but to ship in a lot of stuff, so any big nerf on transport is going to hurt a lot.

You missed something too, what was it again, starts with an s... s, s, s... oh right, Sarcasm!

Yeah, that happens a lot, online. Did you know that only 7% of what we normally communicate, is expressed in the words, themselves? Online, well, I can't see you, or hear your inflections and tone, etc, etc...

So, that's gonna happen. I usually let people know by tagging it with a /sarcasm

Anyway, life goes on, until it doesn't.

LOL I feel rich doing it bro.

But JF's should stay as they are. It's not easy getting goods to null, it's just not... hard. Plus not everyone owns a JF. I do the DST run pretty regularly from X-M to Jita!

As much as anything it has become so big (taken on a life of its own) it is beyond really the capabilities of any individual or even in most cases a group to change the dynamic.

The problem with transport in Eve is always going to come down to the problem that its very hard to balance it between too safe or too unsafe, for the most part you can't do things like escorting transports like in real life and so on so in the end they have to err on the side of too safe or risk turning all but the very most hardcore away from the game.

I would tend to think that without some structural changes to the game, it would reform at another station. I think it would take some time (months, maybe a year), for a system to evolve as the dominant system.

There are efficiency gains for both buyers and sellers to have a central place to do business.

As far as if one central market is good for the game, I tend to say it's more compelling with decentralized markets, but I'm genuinely interested in other points of view.

You have read about 'evil and stupid,' right?

I guess you're the first one to see through the crappy haystack to the hidden needle?