Player Features and Ideas Discussion

CCP Quant suggestions 0.0 ratting is making alot of ISK.

Derp...thanks.

I've run both, and you make far, far more ISK via anomalies.

The highest number killed in the Citadel is in Motsu, 1,159. 2,140 in Korsiki in the Forge. 984 in Domain.

Now, lets look at Fountain: 1,100

Esoteria: 2,500

Perrigen Falls: 1,760

NS rats also tend to have nice fat bounties compared to even a Lvl 4 mission. And in some of the better regions you'll see multiple systems with lots of rats killed. For example, Deklein:

More than 7,560 rats killed (I only counted some of the rat kills). Even if the average bounty is 500,000 that is almost 3.8 billion ISK from one region. Extrapolating to a month, that is over 113,4 billion a month.

You could be right Mike, but I'm just not seeing it.

Dropping multi billion isk BOPS into hostile space where you're surrounded by hundreds of players looking to shoot you immediately isn't risky? Interesting.

Haha really? ;) AFK Cloakers are not ******* morrons, they always "wait for" a ez target; (as they only be at keyboard 3 times per day haha)
Roger out; as more bullshit is comming!

So don't be an easy target, but a hard scary target. Do that long enough they'll move on to better hunting grounds.

Point is you do not have a right to "rat in peace". You have to fight for it...and yes that means dealing with AFK cloaky campers. If you want to bore them to death by logging off or doing missions, that is your call. Another option is to fleet up and rat in PvP ships. 10 ishtars is not an easy target. If they drop some BLOPs on you and you kill just 1, they'd pretty much have to wipe your entire fleet out to break even. Chances are, as you note, they are morons so they'll move on.

Nope, you don't have a right to anything in EVE unless you are actively defending it. If you have the ability to protect your capital ships from any threats while you farm those anomalies then you get the ISK. If you can't protect them and get hot dropped then the only ISK you're entitled to is the insurance payout on your dead ship.



AFK cloaking is only zero-risk if you never decloak, in which case you never accomplish anything. If you decloak to engage a target then you face the normal risks of PvP.

Also, as stated before, if the presence of an AFK cloaker prevents your alliance from making ISK then your alliance sucks and doesn't deserve to hold their space.



And now we see the real issue here. This isn't about being able to hunt people, or risk vs. reward, it's about garbage alliances that need to be booted back to highsec. The solution is not to change anything about AFK cloaking, it's for bad alliances to stop sucking at EVE, grow some balls, and stop being so obsessed with killboards.



Welcome to EVE. Corp theft/infiltration, ambushes, etc, are all a deliberate part of the game. Dirty tricks are just as important as frontal assaults, and whining about the fact that your enemies hit you where you're weakest is only demonstrating your lack of understanding of the game.

Do your ratting in groups while on comms and in fleet in PvP fit ships. Problem solved. No disruption to anyone.

You have the right to disrupt them. You can have players in combat ships that can respond to any attempt by the AFK player to attack, you can join an alliance that isn't so terrified of having losses on their killboard that they impose a "no PvE with AFK cloakers in system" rule, you can refuse to let them win the game of psychological warfare and ignore their presence, you can move to a different system and let them gather intelligence on empty space, etc. In fact, if your alliance doesn't suck, an AFK cloaker is going to accomplish very little and go home frustrated at your disruption efforts.

The real problem here is not that AFK cloaking is impossible to counter, it's that you are demanding a button you can press that makes the AFK cloaker go away. And that is a problem with lazy low-skill players and terrible alliances, not AFK cloaking.



Welcome to EVE, if you want to actively defend the things you build you're going to have to spend time on it. If your alliance doesn't want to spend the man hours to maintain an active defense of their system then you don't really control it, and should probably go back to highsec. We need less of the ridiculous "we rented a system, set half of EVE blue, and now we get to solo carebear in 100% safety forever" attitude, not more.



First of all, your whining about "predatory PvP" demonstrates a hilarious lack of understanding of what EVE is. Predatory PvP is the entire point of the game. It's survival of the fittest, and CCP does not coddle pathetic prey that can't defend themselves against even the laziest of predators.

That said, I find it amusing that you whine about "predatory PvP" while demanding the ability to hunt down and destroy a cloaked ship that is not an active threat to you. Deterring it from attacking you is not sufficient, you need that killmail for your alliance's killboard stats.

If you're told to stop playing when your space is being camped like that, you need to f ind a better group to play with. And why on earth aren't you on comms and in a standing fleet 24/7? With respect, find a better alliance.