EVE General Discussion

Well this is different from what the AG do. Perhaps look at this venture as a bulletin board for PVP and missions, there could be a few guys interested in finding others to take on missions if youre doing it as NPC then all you have to do is make sure you dont have a shiny ship which will help you avoid being ganked.

FC's could roll through here and build their experience if there are people who are enthusiastic about being in a fleet. This sounds like a cool thing to be involved in on a friday or saturday night.

Sit and troll or awox on the channel all day for all I care ill just put you on ignore and go right back to what I was doing. thats about as far as my moderation will go. lol. Yes one of the FC's could be awoxing..I'd keep the community well informed and perhaps suggest that they use a t1 fit cheap frigate to go on roams if its an FC they dont know.

Generally this is all about playing Eve in it's broadest sense. Awoxers and trolls are free to come try and disrupt us, In my opinion there wont really be much to disrupt due to the fact that they wont be able to use the wardec mechanic to make us dock up. If it gets set up as I describe then they will have to get in a fleet and face us in low sec.

1) undock and fight. Cut your teeth on some pvp. So long as you aren't salty about it most wardeccers are likely to drop it. Or at least give you a little bit more respect for it.

2) move somewhere else. High-sec is a bIg place. Get off the beaten trail and find a quiet little corner and most wardeccers won't bother following you.

3) mercenaries are always an option.

Might I suggest the name "NPCS" and to run it from an alt corp

Setup a forum/website, chat channel and voice server.
Perhaps a weekly group mail.

Choose a home region, or constellation.

Recruit new players. Try to get beneficial tax rates for listed members from local pocos/structures in exchange for traffic.
Perhaps setup/rotate temporary corps on the side to help organize limited actions.

I think there could be demand for this from casual npc capsuleers to have stleast some social interaction and a platform for cooperating with others.

Unfortunatly it will probably get trolled to death, and its members ruthlessly exploited.

Just wanted to say this to all of the PvP Nay Sayers here, not everyone joins this game to do PvP.



DMC

this is false


i fear for any newbro or newbro corp that looks to you for help

Denial unsupported by any corroborating evidence?

Can't you at least make a token effort to support your assertion? Given the modest standards of evidence required here for victim-blaming, there are a huge number of plausible claims you could get away with.

Maybe show that there are no corps that habitually wardec large numbers of "combat-weak" highsec corps? Or that a low proportion of new/newbie Corps are actually frivolously wardecced. Or even go for an "alternatively factual" explanation such as claiming that new players who've been harassed continue playing EVE longer than others (with the added bonus that pro-"fun vampire" posts are good for collecting forum "likes").

This is a big improvement from the last "denial" post, but you're still blaming the victims and ignoring the nature of the problem the OP wants to address.

Try starting here ...

EVE is famous for:

• Requiring a large amount of knowledge in order to play it effectively
• That you can't trust anyone in EVE unless you already know them well out-of-game
• The necessity of joining with other people to play effectively

New players also receive a lot of bad advice, but this is not as well known, nor can it be readily ascertained from the Rookie Help or NPC Help channels. New players notice that they keep getting contradictory input though, and it makes planning a way through the startup labyrinth even more difficult.

What could be more natural for a group who've met in-game to start a Highsec Corp and try to learn together? It's the easiest route to being able to trust, at least a little, the people they play with.

It's not their fault if this was actually an unwise course.

Yes, as well they should be. In the philosophy of justice , it's called "proportional responsibility". Believe it or not, "victims" (those who suffer damages from others) are sometimes assigned partial or full responsibility for their damages. The leadership of corps who can't make it in highsec are fully responsible for it, as evidenced by the fact that many other new or small corps do operate successfully in highsec.

Ok, so tell me how you think a hi sec corp will avoid wardec gate and station camps? We know that war deccers have good numbers and understand the game.

I know its great being in a corp and using all the mod cons to organise your corp, also remember that this is a game where you have to spend lots of time online in order to achieve things, what do the members do when the CEO/FC's or senior people in a corp are offline?

Perhaps being involved in this venture can give the pilots of Eve a better perspective.

Good luck and it's great to try new things.

Now that that bit of positive can do-ing stuff is out of the way, now for the truth. It's not going to work, and for the same reasons the NPC null ventures didn't work/last. EVE Online already has mechanisms for communities (called corporations), and people use them. Some blame these mechanisms for various things, but it's not those things that are the problem.

The problem with ideas like this is human nature and how much it varies. Some people are good in groups, like being in a group, are able to understand that they can trade their short term interests for longer term gains by being in a group etc. People like that in EVE are in corporation and alliances, or will gravitate to them.

Then there are the others, the ones who want to be left alone, the loner types, the folks who see joining a big group and sometimes having to do what they want (like a "CTA" or corp mining op) rather than what they would choose in the moment as some form of slavery.

The former group already have options (I am contractually obligated at this point to say that "Dreddit is Recruiting"). The latter group cannot and will not last long in any kind of organization. That "group" (to use the term lightly) lives in NPC spaces (high sec, sometimes low and npc null) already and trying to organize them into something else is doomed to failure.



TL;DR is IF they wanted what you are proposing, Aaron, they'd already be in some kind of player corp and probably already out of high sec. for those that are in high sec, your 'community' offers nothing other than perhaps the chance to get ganked in their mission or belt by someone they met in "Aaron community".

Which brings up a question I've been wanting to ask. Why? You've done this sort of thing several times, what exactly are you trying to do/prove? Why not form a regular corp/alliance and recruit folks and create a community that why? In other words, why are you always banging your head up against the same brick wall bro?