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Incursions: CCP is too slow - now we will act

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#621 - 2012-01-21 22:23:55 UTC
drdxie wrote:
This is rather interesting... The causes leader "an experienced incursion runner"
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1478787

Don't think that even dedicated carebears can see the light about how horrible the current isk faucet is? They can.

Plus, characters can be sold, might not be the same player behind the name any more.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#622 - 2012-01-21 22:31:17 UTC
drdxie wrote:
This is rather interesting... The causes leader "an experienced incursion runner"
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1478787


Someone has done his homework. Well done my pupil.
drdxie
#623 - 2012-01-21 22:44:08 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
drdxie wrote:
This is rather interesting... The causes leader "an experienced incursion runner"
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1478787

Don't think that even dedicated carebears can see the light about how horrible the current isk faucet is? They can.

Plus, characters can be sold, might not be the same player behind the name any more.


if you all are so worried about the isk faucet.. what about moon goo, or the goons chasing up ice prices.. I'll tell you why.. none of you care about the isk or the players of eve, most of you probably joined the goons in their quest.. its the tears and other selfish reasons that this crusade has been led. If greifing is your thing.. then so be it.. but don't try hide it behind a cause for the good of others or the game.. If incursions were negatively impacting the game CCP would change it.. anyway.. i'll hop off my soap box now

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#624 - 2012-01-21 22:50:17 UTC
drdxie wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
drdxie wrote:
This is rather interesting... The causes leader "an experienced incursion runner"
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1478787

Don't think that even dedicated carebears can see the light about how horrible the current isk faucet is? They can.

Plus, characters can be sold, might not be the same player behind the name any more.


if you all are so worried about the isk faucet.. what about moon goo, or the goons chasing up ice prices.. I'll tell you why.. none of you care about the isk or the players of eve, most of you probably joined the goons in their quest.. its the tears and other selfish reasons that this crusade has been led. If greifing is your thing.. then so be it.. but don't try hide it behind a cause for the good of others or the game.. If incursions were negatively impacting the game CCP would change it.. anyway.. i'll hop off my soap box now


Those aren't ISK faucets. They are material faucets and only move existing ISK from other peoples wallets to their own when sold on the market. So they aren't really comparable.
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#625 - 2012-01-22 01:37:21 UTC

Congratulations to Krissada for taking such a great idea and making it a reality. The immersion breaking farming of Incursions have made what might have been a great mechanic into a joke. While I have found no use for tears, (I was told they would keep a POS fueled and online, this is not true) I hope that your actions maybe get the incursion runners to get creative and respond with more than bans and moronic fist waving.

Imagine a high sec war where everything burned. On one side the gentry protecting their crops and the other the rabble pouring in from overloaded star gates, pillaging and burning all in sight. That could be pretty damn exciting. (I'll put the roleplayer in me away now)

And Darius III, well played sir. I hope that this one upping of the Mittani succeeds for you or at least leads to a response from the Spy Master. How amusing that the group created to advocate for players are actually taking over game play creation from CCP. You all really should get paid.

This really is the best MMO.
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#626 - 2012-01-22 01:41:03 UTC
Awesome work guys

We are catching a few bears trying to get to lowsec incursions lol.
OMNOMNOMNOM

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#627 - 2012-01-22 01:58:56 UTC
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
Awesome work guys

We are catching a few bears trying to get to lowsec incursions lol.
OMNOMNOMNOM


Oh jolly. Link the killmails! Pirate
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
#628 - 2012-01-22 02:36:36 UTC
Sin Istersly wrote:
I find it amusing however that a bunch of nullsec strategically "savvy" players are broadcasting their next move to the community. That'd be like North Korea informing whatever nation of their first nuclear strike. "Hey, we're going to attack you. Just so you know, later." Which brings that actual purpose of this thread into question. Ultimately, I think either their not going to do a damn thing, or their just hoping to scare people into killing the mothership themselves without any effort from the nullbears. Either way, it's a strategy that will likely not accomplish whatever it's intended.


See this? This is how much you don't get it.

The third option would have been that they're doing it because they can get more tears by telling incursion scrubs exactly what they're going to do and how they will do it, because they know scrubs are worthless and can't do anything to stop them.
Celery Man
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#629 - 2012-01-22 03:32:10 UTC
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:
Sin Istersly wrote:
I find it amusing however that a bunch of nullsec strategically "savvy" players are broadcasting their next move to the community. That'd be like North Korea informing whatever nation of their first nuclear strike. "Hey, we're going to attack you. Just so you know, later." Which brings that actual purpose of this thread into question. Ultimately, I think either their not going to do a damn thing, or their just hoping to scare people into killing the mothership themselves without any effort from the nullbears. Either way, it's a strategy that will likely not accomplish whatever it's intended.


See this? This is how much you don't get it.

The third option would have been that they're doing it because they can get more tears by telling incursion scrubs exactly what they're going to do and how they will do it, because they know scrubs are worthless and can't do anything to stop them.


This is very true - When someone gets beaten there are tears sometimes for sure, but when someone is told to their face how, when, and where then they really have a chance to discoverer just how little balls, intelligence and initiative they truly have.

THIS is when the real tears come from, the truly golden ones you keep printouts in your hope chest of to treasure forever.
Stringar
I Am America and So Can You
#630 - 2012-01-22 04:43:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Stringar
might want to be careful (Brink) you might cause those carebears to say screw incursion's and mob your corps into oblivion


but on the other side they do have a point about forcing players to do PvP, it will cause an extreme drop in ccp's income

but I agree they need to fix incursion's, but only to a point : limit how long a single char can participate in it per day and how long that individual incursion will last

hell even a cap of 250 mil per incursion for max payout........

but as for the market, it won't get any better, it's already been ruined for life.... take startrek online for instance (wow,eq2,etc.)
only way to fix that is to put a max cap on market/contract items for each individual item

as for mission runners It takes long drooling days and hrs even at lvl 4 mission's just to get enough isk for a basic crusier and setup and god for give a battle crusier or tech 2 frig


just saying............
Lysaeus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#631 - 2012-01-22 04:54:30 UTC
Stringar wrote:
but as for the market, it won't get any better, it's already been ruined for life.... take startrek online for instance (wow,eq2,etc.)
only way to fix that is to put a max cap on market/contract items for each individual item

as for mission runners It takes long drooling days and hrs even at lvl 4 mission's just to get enough isk for a basic crusier and setup and god for give a battle crusier or tech 2 frig


The market will repair itself over time (so long as this isk faucet stays reduced to a dribble). The eve economy is a lot more robust than any other mmo economy and you really should give CCP credit for that.

If you're running L4 missions and can't afford a t2 fit bc or T2 frig after 1 hour you're doing it wrong.
Stringar
I Am America and So Can You
#632 - 2012-01-22 05:05:36 UTC
Lysaeus wrote:
Stringar wrote:
but as for the market, it won't get any better, it's already been ruined for life.... take startrek online for instance (wow,eq2,etc.)
only way to fix that is to put a max cap on market/contract items for each individual item

as for mission runners It takes long drooling days and hrs even at lvl 4 mission's just to get enough isk for a basic crusier and setup and god for give a battle crusier or tech 2 frig


The market will repair itself over time (so long as this isk faucet stays reduced to a dribble). The eve economy is a lot more robust than any other mmo economy and you really should give CCP credit for that.

If you're running L4 missions and can't afford a t2 fit bc or T2 frig after 1 hour you're doing it wrong.



depends on mission really, if u have the hull to carry everything that you killed and scape it before you leave you can make somewhere between 1mil to15 mil additional to the mission

but most peeps dont like to go to low/null sec till they have enough to replace their ships and fits a half-a-dozen times and dear load don't try to mission there Its only asking for them to kill you while being attack by PvE npc's
Sin Istersly
Meat Locker
#633 - 2012-01-22 10:18:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Sin Istersly
Zackgar wrote:
Lol, now weve broken all your ISK printing machines in highsec, were going to our wormhome to play with our own Pirate


Oh no, my asteroids are all broken?

Jovan Geldon wrote:
Sin Istersly wrote:
wordswordswords


That was an awful lot of typing you did there to basically say "blah blah grief blah blah my ~opinion~ blah blah STOP BEING NASTY TO EACH OTHER ON THE INTERNET IT HURTS MY FEELINGS ABLOO ABLOO"

Also your name is p. gay, just saying


Oh no, my name is P gay? Hmm, I'll have to look that up, meanwhile, think about the fact that I'm not going to consider the opinion of a moron who cant read. I didnt once say stop being nasty to each other. I encouraged in fact. I guess you cant read since you didnt catch the portion about you people being nasty to each other making my hard earned minerals worth more.

Next time, try reading the lines instead of just between them.

Quick tip, all those pretty symbols in those lil groups strung together with punctuation mean stuff, did you know that?

Now if we're done insulting each other, I encourage you to point out exactly where I said this "STOP BEING NASTY TO EACH OTHER ON THE INTERNET IT HURTS MY FEELINGS ABLOO ABLOO" gibberish your spouting? Sounds more like your projecting your own sensitive feelings, and possibly a lil homophobia in their too. I'm fairly sure I made a point of approving the war, conflict, and everyone playing the game their own way, and I certainly dont remember crying.
Sin Istersly
Meat Locker
#634 - 2012-01-22 11:34:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Sin Istersly
Celery Man wrote:
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:
Sin Istersly wrote:
I find it amusing however that a bunch of nullsec strategically "savvy" players are broadcasting their next move to the community. That'd be like North Korea informing whatever nation of their first nuclear strike. "Hey, we're going to attack you. Just so you know, later." Which brings that actual purpose of this thread into question. Ultimately, I think either their not going to do a damn thing, or their just hoping to scare people into killing the mothership themselves without any effort from the nullbears. Either way, it's a strategy that will likely not accomplish whatever it's intended.


See this? This is how much you don't get it.

The third option would have been that they're doing it because they can get more tears by telling incursion scrubs exactly what they're going to do and how they will do it, because they know scrubs are worthless and can't do anything to stop them.


This is very true - When someone gets beaten there are tears sometimes for sure, but when someone is told to their face how, when, and where then they really have a chance to discoverer just how little balls, intelligence and initiative they truly have.

THIS is when the real tears come from, the truly golden ones you keep printouts in your hope chest of to treasure forever.

You would treasure the act of making someone cry? Well at least you can admit how truely deplorable you are. Most evil people are delusional enough to also claim to not be so cruel. That's the point I was making earlier. I dont have a problem with griefers being griefers, I dont have an issue with people hunting each other or going to destroy others well laid plans. I just have a very low opinion of you as, and I use the term loosely, 'persons'. It takes a very insecure, unstable, and troubled individual to take joy in anothers tears. Dont mistake, I'm not crying, its your life to abuse as you please, not mine. I choose to be who I am, you choose to be who you are. I didnt start this arguement either, you guys did. I joined about halfway thru, and now your all attacking me for being different. Oh, and kudos to your success, always good to see plans come to fruition.

I never said I dont get it, I said I dont approve. But I guess that's not allowed by your communist outlook either. If I dont agree with you I'm just wrong? That's ok, I can live with that.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#635 - 2012-01-22 11:45:46 UTC
Stringar wrote:
Lysaeus wrote:
Stringar wrote:
but as for the market, it won't get any better, it's already been ruined for life.... take startrek online for instance (wow,eq2,etc.)
only way to fix that is to put a max cap on market/contract items for each individual item

as for mission runners It takes long drooling days and hrs even at lvl 4 mission's just to get enough isk for a basic crusier and setup and god for give a battle crusier or tech 2 frig


The market will repair itself over time (so long as this isk faucet stays reduced to a dribble). The eve economy is a lot more robust than any other mmo economy and you really should give CCP credit for that.

If you're running L4 missions and can't afford a t2 fit bc or T2 frig after 1 hour you're doing it wrong.



depends on mission really, if u have the hull to carry everything that you killed and scape it before you leave you can make somewhere between 1mil to15 mil additional to the mission

but most peeps dont like to go to low/null sec till they have enough to replace their ships and fits a half-a-dozen times and dear load don't try to mission there Its only asking for them to kill you while being attack by PvE npc's

the trick to missioning in low/null is paying attention. If you do this, you will learn fast, and be fine after 2-3 losses.

don't be afraid, they are just space pixels.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#636 - 2012-01-22 12:35:12 UTC
There are currently 9 threads about incursions on the main page of General Discussion.
Eight out of nine have just been locked and everyone is huddled into one.

Well done gentlemen we have started an uproar that has caught CCP's attention.
I salute you all o7
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#637 - 2012-01-22 12:54:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Well this is exciting.

I don't do PVE.. and I never will... I suffered a few days of PVE so i can run locators. Worst week of my EVE life.

I do have one question for you guys... what is the goal behind all this? if you say tears I am going to presume your a r3tard.

I know incursions pay out way to much isk. There is no risk for the amount of reward people are getting, so what is your end goal? I know people have been saying alot of things, Hell I think just changing the warp gate to sites to allow for only certain type ships for the site will up the risk vs reward.

But I don't run incursion so I don't know.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Dino Boff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#638 - 2012-01-22 13:10:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Dino Boff
Cannibal Kane wrote:


I do have one question for you guys... what is the goal behind all this? if you say tears I am going to presume your a r3tard.



Krissada wants Incursion fixed liked he said.

The rest of us are total r3tard.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#639 - 2012-01-22 13:19:19 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Well this is exciting.

I don't do PVE.. and I never will... I suffered a few days of PVE so i can run locators. Worst week of my EVE life.

I do have one question for you guys... what is the goal behind all this? if you say tears I am going to presume your a r3tard.

I know incursions pay out way to much isk. There is no risk for the amount of reward people are getting, so what is your end goal? I know people have been saying alot of things, Hell I think just changing the warp gate to sites to allow for only certain type ships for the site will up the risk vs reward.

But I don't run incursion so I don't know.


Does there have to be an end goal, why cant it just be done for the sake of doing it?

You're also ignoring the fact that people doing this probably have a range of motivations, theres no one size fits all reason to do something like this.

In the end what we have here is a player having an idea and managing to persuade a large number of other players, some like minded and some who needed a bit of incentive, to participate in the execution of that idea. Its 100% player driven content, exactly the kind of thing that makes eve great and I would be impressed with this even if I was on the recieving end of it.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

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Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
#640 - 2012-01-22 14:42:47 UTC
Sin Istersly wrote:
You would treasure the act of making someone cry? Well at least you can admit how truely deplorable you are. Most evil people are delusional enough to also claim to not be so cruel. That's the point I was making earlier. I dont have a problem with griefers being griefers, I dont have an issue with people hunting each other or going to destroy others well laid plans. I just have a very low opinion of you as, and I use the term loosely, 'persons'. It takes a very insecure, unstable, and troubled individual to take joy in anothers tears. Dont mistake, I'm not crying, its your life to abuse as you please, not mine. I choose to be who I am, you choose to be who you are. I didnt start this arguement either, you guys did. I joined about halfway thru, and now your all attacking me for being different. Oh, and kudos to your success, always good to see plans come to fruition.

I never said I dont get it, I said I dont approve. But I guess that's not allowed by your communist outlook either. If I dont agree with you I'm just wrong? That's ok, I can live with that.


And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what we in the business call bitter, bitter tears.

<3