Crime & Punishment

Why do anything... ever? Why god, why?
Sorry,
Why* god*, why*?

How do you not?

Seriously, you think every non-blinky highsec ganker is either a legit new player to the game or that they just got done buying tags and ratting their status back up so they could go nail an autopiloting shuttle?



Is there harm from ganking? Of course not, not on it's face any way.
It's like you didn't even read my posts and just hit reply.

But, like any activity in eve, it's only harmless when it exists as intended within the rules of the game. When an activity exists within the mechanics of the game, but is done in a way that circumvents intended consequences or outcomes for that activity, that is what is called exploiting a game mechanic.

Piracy and ganking are as good for eve as every other activity and all of them insofar as they are intended..
Which is to say...the sec hit losses and and infamy gained in such activities are every bit as important and a part to this game as the gank itself.

Nothing you proceed to highlight in the affront to logic that follows can even be considered a deterrent, let alone a sufficient one.
Your just listing things, poorly at that.
(1. only log 1 in 2. cant fly max fit 3. cant fly max fit 4. cant fly max fit 5.only log 1 in)

It's trivial to line up the handful of skills needed to train an alt, when you plan ahead you can have all of this at the ready in the station your new alpha spawns in. It's trivial to log one and log in the next. How do I know this? Because I know people rolling alpha clones, both legitimately new players and old players.

I'm not sure what tedium you're referring to. No one cares about max effectiveness not sure why your going on about that except your grasping at straws to make this seem like some arduous labor to roll a char and train it for a catalyst/vexor..

The entire point is that 70% effective for cheap in a short period of time is more than sufficient.



Oh lol I just had to have a 2nd look at this.

Yeah, incredible amounts of coordination and teamwork to join the same public channel and warp to the same station you did with your last 6 characters. Such amazing. Much necessitates. Wow.

The teamwork and pleasure of seeing your group take down a target is... pretty much every aspect of this game. It's not somehow unique to this activity. Which is also to say the same thing can be accomplished not only in lowsec, nullsec and anywhere else, but also with a multitude of other activities.

We don't insist on alphas being able to run level 4's as some sacred cow activity that must be open to them. It's not like these players can't find pvp in any one of a gazillion other forms.

Ganking isn't a eula violation? Who said that it was?
Did you just add that at the end for theatrical effect or... did you actually have the point you acknowledged at the start of your post flee from your mind by the end of your post?

All I know is that last bit is so disingenuous it makes me want to send your people blankets for the winter.

You cant reason with someone who already has there mind made up as much as 79. No amount of numbers, logic, or rational can sway the set mind of said types of individuals. Even with concrete evidence they will just find another excuse/reason why they are right and the masses of others are insane.

"there is no fool like an intellectual ... a kind of clever stupidity, bred out of a line of logic in the head, nothing to do with experience." Doris Lessing

I don't recall hearing anyone previously demanding that trial accounts be locked to green in highsec. This notion that people are supposedly abusing non-paying accounts seems to be a new "problem" that just happened to coincide with the introduction of alpha clones. The fact that people (like yourself) are suddenly perceiving an abuse issue suggests that it's simply a reaction to something new and and different. Demonstrate that people widely regarded this as a problem before alpha clones and I might be willing to support the idea of preventative measures. Otherwise, it simply smacks of hysteria over something new. I'm willing to bet that CCP views it the same way.

The question isn't why SHOULD alpha clones be allowed to suicide gank, but rather why SHOULDN'T they? If you read that Crossing Zebras article I linked earlier, he brings up the fact that one of the things that makes EVE unique is the ability to do everything on a new player account that you can on a paying account. There are no basic gameplay styles that you're prohibited from pursuing. You can rat, PvP, build, invent, mission, explore, scam and also gank. They simply limit your ability to pursue a gameplay style as efficiently as you can on an Omega clone. To that end, you can't gank as effectively as an alpha.

The default should always be to allow a gameplay style. That has always been CCP's policy and I suspect it will continue to be their policy. Abuses that violate the EULA have always been handled on an individual basis. Feel free to call for greater enforcement, but you don't deal with enforcement problems by calling for more regulations.

OP, to be totally blunt, even as a player who played as an AG before getting fed up with hisec and heading back to 0.0 I do not agree with removing the ability to shoot people in hisec and go criminal, it is part of the game and Alphas should be able to shoot whoever they want as per Omega's.

Do I care that some people can abuse it, no, people run multiple accounts without this, just look at the Kusions as an example.

I can also tell you that this was talked about in the AG channel a couple of times when CCP first announced Alpha's and not a single person supported blocking Alpha's from going criminal in hisec.

So the answer is no, no and no.