Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No, fun ruined because of risk aversion.

There's no timer if you jump between clones in the same citadel, and there's no timer if you just use a clone with two +3 implants and don't even pretend to care about the fourteen entire days of training you lose in a full year compared with +5s.

No noobs, I didn't know about today's fleet so couldn't plan for it.

So because you don't make any suggested change or improvement, this is basically a whine thread.

Even something simple like reducing the timer to 1 hour would be alright for me. I still think that's long enough to stop people abusing the system (which I don't really think is a genuine concern anyway).

Go use a citadel...no JC timers.

The problem inherent with timers is WHY.

In this case, the timer is NOT there to stop you from switching JC's in same system/station. Citadels negated that. Put up a couple astrahus, fit clone bays, jump around clones all day with a quick shuttle ride over to the other citadel. The Clone timer exists these days rather to attempt to stop instant travel from one area of Eve to another.


Now, yes, you can get almost anywhere in Eve these days in a travel ceptor in a reasonable amount of time, but it still takes the time and 'effort' to do it, where if I could just JC between a clone in metropolis, syndicate, The Forge and Deklien all day, that would be bad. Yeah, a travel ceptor can still get you pretty much anywhere in an hour or less, but once you get there, if you haven't prestaged stuff/not getting stuff from someone else, you only have the ceptor to work with.


It's a challenging compromise between trying to stop people from being able to go anywhere in Eve at the blink of an eye, and trying to relax some of the old, outdated systems like JC timers, attribute/effect clones, etc.

This feature won't be available in stations because it is a unique feature that actually sets citadels apart from stations and makes them a tiny bit useful. Furthermore, public citadels are available all over high sec and in many low sec areas. All public fleets always start from a high sec or low sec station so this argument is invalid.

You can jump clone to another clone inside the same citadel at any time, regardless of timer status, as long as you have access rights to the clone bay AND the clone bay is online(fueled, turned on, etc).

BTW, in looking at Danika's suggestion of having +3s in your PvP clone the loss in terms of SP over the course of an entire year is 2 million SP. This guy has been playing since 2006...or at least that is how old his character is. How many SP does this guy have? Seriously, you are still min-maxing past 160 million SP? Really? And you don't have the financial where-with-all at this point to afford possibly losing some +3s?

It isn't wasting it. It is looking at the trade offs. Putting in cheap implants, and cheap is of course relative to your over all in game wealth, can be a viable alternative to always being in your high end implants.

Personally, I became far less fixated on SP around 100 million SP. I don't have a clone that is a dedicated learning clone anymore, in part for this reason and also because of diminishing marginal returns with regards to SP.

But the solution is use a public citadel with a clone bay, I'm on my way to Perimeter right now in an alt to check out some of the citadels there. If I find one with a clone bay open to the public I'll post here. Yes, Perimeter might not be the optimal location, but it does address your issue, and it shows that there are public citadels. See if there is one closer to where the public roams tend to start...or just log in a bit early and use a travel ceptor to get to the staging point of the public roam.