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Ishkur to tank Serpentis DED5 +
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Bestialus Bloodborn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-03-02 00:07:45 UTC
Do you think this fit might viable for Serpentis DED5 + any suggestions, opinions and criticism is welcome.

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[Ishkur, Ultra Tank]
Energized Thermal Membrane II
Energized Kinetic Membrane II
Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Energized Thermal Membrane II

Small Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
1MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]

Small Anti-Kinetic Pump II
Small Anti-Thermal Pump II

'Augmented' Hobgoblin x5
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#2 - 2017-03-02 03:30:52 UTC
With an Ishkur you are up for a challenge. There is nothing wrong with going with a frigate in a higher DED complex.

What I would suggest is, that you make sure you can leave the rep on for at least 5 minutes just in case. Your "tank" is your afterburner, so make sure you never turn it of unless there is more than one room.

Keep an eye on your drones since you only have small ones. Hobgoblins and Hornets should be the best and for the Serpentis battleships, you want to orbit those close and use Void S for them and every shipclass that is bigger than yours.

Use Antimatter S for the frigates.

It may take a while but it can be done. Good luck!

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2017-03-02 06:12:01 UTC
Instincts tell me you're ******. You'll be able to (slowly) chew through the first two rooms but I think once the webs hit in the third room the Ishkur is going down. I know it has a tiny sig but I just don't see that saving it for long enough to ice the web towers and/or the overseer.

Upgrading your tank might help -- consider low end deadspace thermals at least. They're cheap enough. If you wanted to go all out your best investment might be to get the sig down. Halos would shave 22ish% off your sig, which more or less translates to that much less incoming damage. They're not all that expensive either. Asklepians are pricey but combined with C-type passives would kick your tank up to 728.6 hp/s versus Serpentis which is... pretty good.

But hell, at that point, kick up the AB to a Coreli and swap out the kinetic rig for an Auxiliary Nano Pump. Now you're at 764.3 ehp/s which, along with the (still relatively fat for a frig) sig might get you through.

Don't take it into the 6/10 though.
Bestialus Bloodborn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2017-03-02 18:02:37 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
With an Ishkur you are up for a challenge. There is nothing wrong with going with a frigate in a higher DED complex.

What I would suggest is, that you make sure you can leave the rep on for at least 5 minutes just in case. Your "tank" is your afterburner, so make sure you never turn it of unless there is more than one room.

Keep an eye on your drones since you only have small ones. Hobgoblins and Hornets should be the best and for the Serpentis battleships, you want to orbit those close and use Void S for them and every shipclass that is bigger than yours.

Use Antimatter S for the frigates.

It may take a while but it can be done. Good luck!


The cap is stable at 38% Im not sure if higher DED complexes use EWAR for cap.

I know that 200 DPS are low for DED5, but it's ok if takes time, the part that worries me are the DPS they can output.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#5 - 2017-03-03 09:21:33 UTC
Well look at it like this, you are flying a Gallente t2 boat that has a natural defense against Serpentis build into the hull by default.

You will be doing the best possible damage there is against Serpentis also - Kinetic and Thermal.

Zhilia is correct, you can use corpii or centii a-type kinetic and thermal platings which seem very bling but both will cost less than 2 million isk.
She is also correct that any type of webification will be very bad for your ship - a slow boat is a dead boat.

What you want to do is shoot your way up from small to larger. The bigger the NPC the less they are a threat to you, since they will miss most of their damage by no being able to hit you at all.

But be vary careful with webbifing tower, which you have to dispose of quickly.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#6 - 2017-03-03 13:06:47 UTC
I don't run these often, so I don't know them inside and out like some folks. Can the ishkur even take down the webbing tower? How many ishkurs in how much time will topple the webbing tower? I have a recollection of blasting some webbing tower and it having super crazy repair abilities.

Just for my own knowledge - what are the tower hitpoints and what is a reasonable dps number for an ishkur that can tank that site?

I'm all for challenging game play but this seems like you're standing on the first green at the Masters with only a putter in your bag and asking folks to help you figure out how to win the cup.
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2017-03-03 14:04:15 UTC
Anyone telling you an Ishkur is fine for doing the serpentis 5/10 has taken a serious bump to the head. It will take you i would estimate 2-3 hours to clear up to the last room.

You would then warp in and get triple webbed by the towers and die as you have no instant long range dps to clear them quickly.

Work yourself up to sentry drone Ishtar and be done with it.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#8 - 2017-03-03 14:08:06 UTC
Just because you can get the job done using some ship does not mean you should use it. Isk/hour ratio is a thing.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#9 - 2017-03-03 19:33:34 UTC
Switch Savage wrote:
Anyone telling you an Ishkur is fine for doing the serpentis 5/10 has taken a serious bump to the head. It will take you i would estimate 2-3 hours to clear up to the last room.

You would then warp in and get triple webbed by the towers and die as you have no instant long range dps to clear them quickly.

Work yourself up to sentry drone Ishtar and be done with it.


Thanks for that..

I said, it can be done but I ran a 10/10 Rogue Drone plex in a Confessor because I felt like it.

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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#10 - 2017-03-03 19:37:27 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
I said, it can be done but I ran a 10/10 Rogue Drone plex in a Confessor because I felt like it.

How it can be done in a frig? 3xwebbing towers without ability to nuke them fast. I lost Gila once in third room because I wasn't fast enough.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#11 - 2017-03-05 04:56:43 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
I said, it can be done but I ran a 10/10 Rogue Drone plex in a Confessor because I felt like it.

How it can be done in a frig? 3xwebbing towers without ability to nuke them fast. I lost Gila once in third room because I wasn't fast enough.


Eh, my post above tried to hash that out.

Gila has a huge sig, especially when passive tanked. That's going to bloom incoming damage. Ishkur in an armor configuration is relatively small (just fat for a frigate). If you play that hard enough and concentrate on using what little speed you have to keep transversal up then you *might* be able to face tank the room for long enough that your drones can whittle away on web towers one by one.

Personally? Pretty sure the little guy will still die. And I'm sure as hell not going to risk the fit required to test it.
Bestialus Bloodborn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2017-03-05 17:35:49 UTC
Switch Savage wrote:
Anyone telling you an Ishkur is fine for doing the serpentis 5/10 has taken a serious bump to the head. It will take you i would estimate 2-3 hours to clear up to the last room.

You would then warp in and get triple webbed by the towers and die as you have no instant long range dps to clear them quickly.

Work yourself up to sentry drone Ishtar and be done with it.



Well If i wanted to do it faster rather than entertaining I will use a HAC, but I would like to keep it at frigrate hull becasue of the lol's and because I plan to mainly fly frigates for PVP, and thus going for the DED5 can be a good experience.

Zhilia Mann wrote:

Eh, my post above tried to hash that out.

Gila has a huge sig, especially when passive tanked. That's going to bloom incoming damage. Ishkur in an armor configuration is relatively small (just fat for a frigate). If you play that hard enough and concentrate on using what little speed you have to keep transversal up then you *might* be able to face tank the room for long enough that your drones can whittle away on web towers one by one.

Personally? Pretty sure the little guy will still die. And I'm sure as hell not going to risk the fit required to test it.


I have 1b ready to try the fit Im just missing some perfect skills regarding tank t2

I will try and let you guy know if possible and post results.

Fly safe o7
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#13 - 2017-03-05 20:47:36 UTC
Bestialus Bloodborn wrote:

I have 1b ready to try the fit Im just missing some perfect skills regarding tank t2


Get a mid-grade Asklepian set if you can for that. It's probably your best bet.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#14 - 2017-03-06 07:26:08 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Gila has a huge sig, especially when passive tanked. That's going to bloom incoming damage. Ishkur in an armor configuration is relatively small (just fat for a frigate). If you play that hard enough and concentrate on using what little speed you have to keep transversal up then you *might* be able to face tank the room for long enough that your drones can whittle away on web towers one by one.

Well it's not impossible, it was just drunk night, a bottle of bourbon didn't help with my reflexes. There are more towers in BR DED5 so you just have to burn away from them. I did the opposite Big smile. It was fun manual flying through all those lasers, kinda bebop style, even listen to cowboy soundtrack then.

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Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#15 - 2017-03-09 08:44:27 UTC
Bestialus Bloodborn wrote:

I have 1b ready to try the fit Im just missing some perfect skills regarding tank t2

I will try and let you guy know if possible and post results.

Fly safe o7


Well if you go all out tank then i think its easily tanked. The ishkur can get crazy tank Vs Serp for any ship let a alone a frig.

This ship tanks 650ish vs Serp (with no Heat, boosts, boosters or Implants) which should be enough to tank the Third room while webbed (Most of my ships have ~500 but I kill stuff faster than an ishkur would) .

[Ishkur, Overtanked]

Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Energized Thermal Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Small Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Cap Recharger II

Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
[Empty High slot]

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Very inefficient but if thats what you want to do.

Serp 6/10 (well not really 6/10) would be impossible. Too many Nuets.