EVE General Discussion

Your skills as an augur are beyond breathtaking.

Ms. DNA really made me realize just how much power this would take, and whenever I see someone in power, it's my considered opinion that they could VERY healthily do with quite a bit less of it. Nobody who ASKS for power deserves it. Those thrust into it, reluctantly, are usually scarcely able to handle it.

Handing such a tool to a ravenous, vampiric leech? I'll pass, thanks.

I don't apply to corps. anymore but it's not because of the API.

If you disagree with the use of the player API Key, you can address it to the corp.

You can use it to negotiate terms.


As one poster mentioned, it's their corp, they dictate the terms, and it's up to you to use it to your advantage if you want to pick a beef with them.

You don't have to let them work you into the ground with it.

Some corp(s) use players to test military resolve and keep it secret.


I have a hard time to get along with conditions which are complicating my life, as it leads to conflict and not peace contrary to potential judicial order to keep the peace...
I find it easier and more beneficial for the family I have to provide for me to work on my own or play on my own in this regard.

I get more control over my schedule, and if I want to do analysis for 3rd party programs, don't have to worry about those seeking forfeiture + discredit me + my family of it, for fear of lack of control or other kleptomaniac filled credit or warlike economy they may prefer + share interest in + enforce with jail.


I do share Teamspeak in Incursions without API checks.
The checks are public data / info + internal conflicts are evident.
However, the real cost lies in the lack of access to Sov function.
Even though more citadel resources are shared with time, it is not comparable.
On the other hand, I have no time to be bothered by war interfering against my low assets.
I only paid for around 4 to 8 PLEX of in-game time earned in-game out of 5 years.

I also don't get bothered by corps. due to verbal annoyance, disagreements, potential disagreements, diversion from my goals, arguments to waste my time, setting me up to get killed in war, + more treason.

When it comes to recruitment, a full api key will tell me quite a lot about the player. I do not recruit the character. i recruit the player, because at the end of the day, its the player that matters to me. Characters can be bought, traded, sold, discarded and rebuilt with time or with skill injectors. As a result, I put very little weight on the character, because if you are dedicated, any character can be trained to be proficient in anything if you are willing to do so.

Why does it matter? My corporation, and frankly my alliance, want to build a community of people we want to spend time hanging out with. My corp is intended to be a corporation that exists to fill a very specific purpose and we have specific expectations of the players we recruit. I would rather put my energy into a small number of players that I like and respect and want to fly with and help grow into better pilots, than to discard standards and recruit everyone with no background check.

An api will tell me a lot of things, but one of the things it will do is contribute to forming a picture as to how suitable you or any other applicant is to my corporation. It is not the only method used to weed bad seeds out, but it is a powerful one. That it violates your privacy is temporary, and is subject to random audits for the sake of both corporate and alliance security.

Everything you do in EVE leaves a trail, one that can be followed. it tells me who you associate with, who you talk to and the kinds of people you have until that point in time, spent flying with. Those things can, when combined with often times simply talking to you and looking at other aspects of your API, tell me if you have the type of personality and attitude that I or my alliance want flying with us.

So yes, it has an actual gaming application from the point of view of a recruiter for my corp and alliance. It helps me figure out if people are worthwhile to bring into my corp that would actually solidly contribute to being something I and my Co-CEO are happy with. It won't stop all of the bad seeds, and that is a risk that we run, but it is one measure among many that needs to be taken to ensure that the people I do bring in are people that for the most part, are going to be decent members.


The only thing worse than the corp UI is the Starbase UI.

Yup, I'd say I have to agree with most of your assessment, Cade, even if you delivered it somewhat snidely using terms with the worst possible connotations. I have a certain worldview developed over time based on experiences, learned values, and a certain type of upbringing; it's the matrix through which I am forced to try to make sense of what is otherwise an incomprehensible world. If that sounds familiar, it's because we all have that, though the 'glass' that you view the world through will be differently shaded than mine, you nonetheless have one. Anybody who tells you their 'glass' is perfectly clear, they are unbiased and completely fair, is lying to you, or insane. In either case, they should be avoided with much haste to depart their immediate vicinity.

I'm extremely unlikely to modify those traits entrenched deeply since youth, such as a belief in fair play, a mistrust of power, and a belief in humanity's naturally flawed state. Take all of those and pretend you're making a request for information from me, from a position of power. Do you really think you have a chance in hell of getting it? Am I a cheat and a liar, and up to espionage, by being honest enough to flat out refuse? Like many have pointed out, if I were up to no good, I'd approach this very differently, and construct an elaborate cover, obsequiously trying to grant your every demand.

As far as spending any time running a decent sized organization... Again, do you really think my personality is compatible with holding power? I despise the rapidity with which authority corrupts people. Why would I ever put myself in a position that is very likely going to tempt me to violate some of my core values? I'm a much better worker than boss. Being a boss is stressful. Being a worker is great. When I get tired of your crap, I just pull up all the stakes, wish you good luck, and take off.

That might not actually be true. Just to be fair, and play devil's advocate for a moment, if I managed to attain this through the arguments I just made, I'm playing a VERY elaborate, and very long game. The psychological manipulation required to pull this off on such a grand scale would be very 'brag-worthy,' wouldn't you say?

You should always look at what people do. The stupid crap coming out of their faces is only ever a rough idea of what they think, at best, and outright lies, at worst. The bottom line, though, is that you cannot protect yourself. Perfect security does not exist. Anyone can be attacked, anything stolen, by a determined enough foe. Since this is the case, I don't feel compelled to let you invade my privacy and have perfect intelligence on my characters, since it flatly WILL NOT accomplish the stated purpose inherent in collecting it to begin with.

I doubt it. One thing EVE players are good at is creative manipulation of any mechanic, or lack of mechanic in place.

Besides, I'm advocating no such forcible removal. I'm encouraging that players, themselves, start refusing to hand them over. That's all. If enough players do, then the practice, I assure you, will stop.

If players want to put up with it, it will continue. I'm advocating you making a choice in your best interests. I'm not advocating forcing you to do it, or taking anything away from you, via code.

That's just it.
The reason I have little use to get in corps like that, and most other corps, except perhaps Red vs Blue, who may or may not ask for an API, is not because of the API or relative privacy to the extent in which it is used for in this context, with all the intended connotation it is designed to be interpreted as, or even propaganda for security purposes...
The reason is because that :
1."My corporation, and frankly my alliance, want to build a community of people we want to spend time hanging out with."
Which they don't with me.
and 2."I would rather put my energy into a small number of players that I like and respect and want to fly with and help grow into better pilots, than to discard standards and recruit everyone with no background check."
Which again, they don't like me, and don't respect me, and don't want to fly with me and help me grow into a better pilot.
Then mentions about not discarding stardard(s) in the face of this blatant warfare...
The checks he does are for his own convenience, and he interprets it however he wants, even if detrimental to his own security.


3.
"An api will tell me a lot of things, but one of the things it will do is contribute to forming a picture as to how suitable you or any other applicant is to my corporation."
He then states using the API as a diversion tactic to form a picture (which he wants) as to how suitable I or any other (which others he also design the way he wants, no matter what) applicant and team mates is to his corp.

4.
"It is not the only method used to weed bad seeds out, but it is a powerful one. "
He uses this API and related procedures he applies to it as a method used to "weed bad seeds out" to which he is the judge of, regardless of how discriminating or coercing he may be.
He then reinforces this by stating that other methods may be more powerful, or that there are other methods, if it is the most powerful one.

5.
"That it violates your privacy is temporary, and is subject to random audits for the sake of both corporate and alliance security."
How? It does not violate my privacy.
That sounds as a diversion to try to create implied consent by making a statement about violation to which I would be assumed to accept when there is none, so to justify future or other past violations, which are illegal btw.
To reinforce this claim, statement or other fact, he informs about subjecting to random audits for a "sake of both corporate and alliance security". However, what benefit to the entities security is gained, how, why, what scientific explanation other than for their own fancies?

This is ground for war and used for boycott and other political use, at least in-game that is.

6.
"Everything you do in EVE leaves a trail, one that can be followed. it tells me who you associate with, who you talk to and the kinds of people you have until that point in time, spent flying with."
Not so.
Being in a corp to spy against the corp being in does not tells him if he is not associated with that corp, and who else he was associated with in fact. This tells me he spies, and covers it that way.
Who I talk to is not listed.
The kinds of people I have (talked to) until that point is not listed.
Who I fly with in kill mails, is not including all facts.

7.
to come... no space

In EVE, most players have multiple identities. Everyone is running around like Frank Abagnale Jr. This is not real life.

+ with the right programs, you can build nifty corp and alliance apps, + fleet apps.
For statistical use, not for illegal automation.

Then that's what you will do. I must admit, however, to a certain amount of puzzlement. After checking out your corp, you guys seem to have interests that nearly parallel mine, in many cases. You're non-hostile, don't gank, explore for the fun of it, and I remember you responding in one of the threads about war-decs, quite positively being in favor of just avoiding the entire fight.

What do you have to steal, and if you don't want to fight, what do you really care if someone walks off with a storage bin of rat loot of something? I don't get it.