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High Sec Ganking - CONCORD Balance request

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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1321 - 2017-03-05 01:24:11 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
If the evidence existed, he would've linked it right in the OP. This thread has gone on for over a thousand posts and nothing has been presented.

I think it's safe to say at this point it's just a troll thread. Ugh, and I've posted so much in it.

Well, 9/10 OP. You got me.


You'll be here for the next 20 pages making of the wall comments ... Im not concerned about you going anywhere anytime soon.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1322 - 2017-03-05 01:24:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Erich Einstein wrote:
Im sorry that you keep insisting I repeat myself just because you joined the thread during its troll stages but if you cant go back and read anything then thats on you.
He's categorically stated that he has read the thread, and he can't find any evidence. Bizarrely enough pretty much everyone else has also read the thread and failed to find any evidence.

The fact that the majority of posters can't find the evidence that you claim to have provided suggests that your claim is untrue, or that we're all liars. The former is much more likely to be true than the latter.

Quote:
If you need easy proof that gankers are ignoring faction police mechanics, just go to Jita V - Moon 17 station and follow them around. You will see that faction police do nothing but trail them around all day long. You will also see that they dont quit warping (to prevent other players targeting their fleet) until they hit their target.
A man with your self proclaimed knowledge of the game mechanics involved should have no trouble figuring out why they're constantly warping around.

I'll give you a hint, they're forced to. It's called adapting to the environment, or exploding at the hands of the Faction Police.

Quote:
Please post a video of yourself preventing them from ganking their target without going criminal yourself. You say that preventing a gank is easy, walk the walk and show us (throught a video) what you are insisting is so easy.
You made your claim first, show us a video of you organising the logistics, coordination and finding enough people to gank a freighter, and then executing the plan.

You keep insisting that it's so easy and that the consequences are nil, you should be able to do it easily.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1323 - 2017-03-05 01:26:10 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Im sorry that you keep insisting I repeat myself just because you joined the thread during its troll stages but if you cant go back and read anything then thats on you.

I've already gone back and read the whole thread, but I'm not necessarily the sharpest knife in the drawer, so may have missed it.

However, having not been able to find even one piece of evidence, I'm just asking because you say it is there. Even just one link to evidence posted earlier?

Even a rough guide to the page number of one piece of evidence is enough. It's been stated several times that it is there, so I'll happily go back and read it. Unfortunately, 'in the first 40 pages' is not much help, possibly because I'm just not smart enough to recognise where it has been posted.


Im sorry if you dont understand... not my problem.

Well, it kind of is.

It's not me you need to ultimately convince. It's CCP. Without evidence, your suggestion is going nowhere fast.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1324 - 2017-03-05 01:28:19 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Im sorry that you keep insisting I repeat myself just because you joined the thread during its troll stages but if you cant go back and read anything then thats on you.

I've already gone back and read the whole thread, but I'm not necessarily the sharpest knife in the drawer, so may have missed it.

However, having not been able to find even one piece of evidence, I'm just asking because you say it is there. Even just one link to evidence posted earlier?

Even a rough guide to the page number of one piece of evidence is enough. It's been stated several times that it is there, so I'll happily go back and read it. Unfortunately, 'in the first 40 pages' is not much help, possibly because I'm just not smart enough to recognise where it has been posted.


Im sorry if you dont understand... not my problem.

Well, it kind of is.

It's not me you need to ultimately convince. It's CCP. Without evidence, your suggestion is going nowhere fast.


Im not concerned about that. CCP knows how to guage the situation themselves. They don't need anyone doing it for them. They just need to see and be aware of the OP and what is suggests.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1325 - 2017-03-05 01:32:42 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Im sorry that you keep insisting I repeat myself just because you joined the thread during its troll stages but if you cant go back and read anything then thats on you.

I've already gone back and read the whole thread, but I'm not necessarily the sharpest knife in the drawer, so may have missed it.

However, having not been able to find even one piece of evidence, I'm just asking because you say it is there. Even just one link to evidence posted earlier?

Even a rough guide to the page number of one piece of evidence is enough. It's been stated several times that it is there, so I'll happily go back and read it. Unfortunately, 'in the first 40 pages' is not much help, possibly because I'm just not smart enough to recognise where it has been posted.


Im sorry if you dont understand... not my problem.

Well, it kind of is.

It's not me you need to ultimately convince. It's CCP. Without evidence, your suggestion is going nowhere fast.


Im not concerned about that. CCP knows how to guage the situation themselves. They don't need anyone doing it for them. They just need to see and be aware of the OP and what is suggests.

They no doubt already are and have already chalked it up as another "ganking QQ" thread. There's nothing of value in the OP.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1326 - 2017-03-05 01:35:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Erich Einstein wrote:
Im not concerned about that. CCP knows how to guage the situation themselves. They don't need anyone doing it for them. They just need to see and be aware of the OP and what is suggests.

You're wrong.

This has been explained by CCP staff and by members of the CSM in the past. You're case is improved by a solid, objective argument, supported with evidence.

Just like us, CCP staff don't want to have to go looking for evidence to support every claim here. They already have their own work programs and go collect the data they need for that.

In fact, in relation to ganking they have gone and looked for evidence to support it being a problem and concluded that it is not a problem, in the areas they have looked at.

So, good luck with your thread. At least it has contained you here pretty much. That's a win for the rest of the forum.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1327 - 2017-03-05 01:36:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


You keep insisting that it's so easy and that the consequences are nil, you should be able to do it easily.


Im a solo hero.... My alt Erika Einstein already has a fair amount of Tornado ganks under her belt. If you don't believe me, just check zkill. I've eeven been kicked out of AG channels on that character.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1328 - 2017-03-05 01:36:29 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Im not concerned about that. CCP knows how to guage the situation themselves. They don't need anyone doing it for them. They just need to see and be aware of the OP and what is suggests.

You're wrong.

This has been explained by CCP staff and by members of the CSM in the past. You're case is improved by a solid, objective argument, supported with evidence.

Just like us, CCP staff don't want to have to go looking for evidence to support every claim here.

In fact, in relation to ganking they have gone and looked for evidence to support it being a problem and concluded that it is not a problem.

So, good luck with your thread. At least it has contained you here pretty much. That's a win for the rest of the forum.

I envy them.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein

Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1329 - 2017-03-05 01:37:20 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Im not concerned about that. CCP knows how to guage the situation themselves. They don't need anyone doing it for them. They just need to see and be aware of the OP and what is suggests.

You're wrong.

This has been explained by CCP staff and by members of the CSM in the past. You're case is improved by a solid, objective argument, supported with evidence.

Just like us, CCP staff don't want to have to go looking for evidence to support every claim here. They already have their own work programs and go collect the data they need for that.

In fact, in relation to ganking they have gone and looked for evidence to support it being a problem and concluded that it is not a problem, in the areas they have looked at.

So, good luck with your thread. At least it has contained you here pretty much. That's a win for the rest of the forum.

bye now ... o/
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1330 - 2017-03-05 01:39:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
Dom Arkaral wrote:

he has evidence, but it's hidden like the ghostly reputation he has in Black Rise XD


Why don't you ask quickswipe collier how much of a menace I am. He has worked with Kusion more than once in Uedama. We roll together all the time in low / null sec.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1331 - 2017-03-05 01:40:48 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
bye now ... o/

Are you leaving?
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1332 - 2017-03-05 01:41:37 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:

They no doubt already are and have already chalked it up as another "ganking QQ" thread. There's nothing of value in the OP.


Yet the thread remains unlocks, even after all of your trolling attempts to get it shut down.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1333 - 2017-03-05 01:44:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:

They no doubt already are and have already chalked it up as another "ganking QQ" thread. There's nothing of value in the OP.


Yet the thread remains unlocks, even after all of your trolling attempts to get it shut down.

It's a containment thread. ISDs have explained before that they leave threads open well beyond their usefulness at times, because discussion here is at least contained to here and doesn't spill over to other areas of the forum.

Leaving idiotic idea threads open is ultimately good for the rest of the threads and everyone not interested in idiotic suggestions.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1334 - 2017-03-05 01:45:08 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Im not concerned about that. CCP knows how to guage the situation themselves. They don't need anyone doing it for them. They just need to see and be aware of the OP and what is suggests.

You're wrong.

This has been explained by CCP staff and by members of the CSM in the past. You're case is improved by a solid, objective argument, supported with evidence.

Just like us, CCP staff don't want to have to go looking for evidence to support every claim here.

In fact, in relation to ganking they have gone and looked for evidence to support it being a problem and concluded that it is not a problem.

So, good luck with your thread. At least it has contained you here pretty much. That's a win for the rest of the forum.

I envy them.


Hey.... your still here. I thought you figured out I was trolling you or something. 9/10 remember. Like I said... your not going anywhere.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1335 - 2017-03-05 01:46:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:

They no doubt already are and have already chalked it up as another "ganking QQ" thread. There's nothing of value in the OP.


Yet the thread remains unlocks, even after all of your trolling attempts to get it shut down.

It's a containment thread. ISDs have explained before that they leave threads open well beyond their usefulness at times, because discussion here is at least contained to here and doesn't spill over to other areas of the forum.

Leaving idiotic idea threads open is ultimately good for the rest of the threads and everyone not interested in certain issues.


Not really, I've already commented on other threads about this issue whenever it relates. I link it to social media as well.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1336 - 2017-03-05 01:49:06 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


You keep insisting that it's so easy and that the consequences are nil, you should be able to do it easily.


Im a solo hero.... My alt Erika Einstein already has a fair amount of Tornado ganks under her belt. If you don't believe me, just check zkill.
Not what I asked for, yet again you're evading the fact that you have failed to provide any evidence whatsoever to support your claim that suicide ganking is too easy and has no consequences.

I wrote:
You made your claim first, show us a video of you organising the logistics, coordination and finding enough people to gank a freighter, and then executing the plan.
Here's the part you edited out in your attempt to evade my request for evidence. While my request for a video may seem onerous it's the standard of proof that you asked for from Scipio.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1337 - 2017-03-05 01:49:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
Hiasa Kite wrote:

They no doubt already are and have already chalked it up as another "ganking QQ" thread. There's nothing of value in the OP.


ganking QQ .... please explain ... #codeCONTROL nothing but owning code here....
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1338 - 2017-03-05 01:50:15 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


You keep insisting that it's so easy and that the consequences are nil, you should be able to do it easily.


Im a solo hero.... My alt Erika Einstein already has a fair amount of Tornado ganks under her belt. If you don't believe me, just check zkill.
Not what I asked for, yet again you're evading the fact that you have failed to provide any evidence whatsoever to support your claim that suicide ganking is too easy and has no consequences.

I wrote:
You made your claim first, show us a video of you organising the logistics, coordination and finding enough people to gank a freighter, and then executing the plan.
Here's the part you edited out in your attempt to evade my request for evidence. While my request for a video may seem onerous it's the standard of proof that you asked for from Scipio.


see initial posts....
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1339 - 2017-03-05 01:50:28 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:

They no doubt already are and have already chalked it up as another "ganking QQ" thread. There's nothing of value in the OP.


Yet the thread remains unlocks, even after all of your trolling attempts to get it shut down.

I don't troll. There's plenty of troll posts by yourself, though.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1340 - 2017-03-05 01:51:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:

They no doubt already are and have already chalked it up as another "ganking QQ" thread. There's nothing of value in the OP.


Yet the thread remains unlocks, even after all of your trolling attempts to get it shut down.

It's a containment thread. ISDs have explained before that they leave threads open well beyond their usefulness at times, because discussion here is at least contained to here and doesn't spill over to other areas of the forum.

Leaving idiotic idea threads open is ultimately good for the rest of the threads and everyone not interested in certain issues.


Not really, I've already commented on other threads about this issue whenever it relates. I link it to social media as well.

See under your avatar, your name is a link. It opens a drop down list that lets you check your post history.

I stopped at the end of page 15, but not a single post out of this thread. Your last >300 posts in the forum have been in this thread.

That's a pretty good example of containment.

Once again, the evidence available actually shows you are wrong.

Edit:

There's only 2 additional pages to your post history past that.

Your last 304 posts out of a total post history of 335 posts, have been in this thread. Lol.

That's as good a demonstration of containment as anything.