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High Sec Ganking - CONCORD Balance request

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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1301 - 2017-03-04 23:51:56 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Well go through and read all the posts, pick out what everyone has said and write it down, being sure not to repeat things. Then list it here in a post and we can discuss it from there. Be sure not to inject your own biased into this list.

So, you can't even point to even a single piece of evidence posted earlier in this thread that can be discussed that supports your claims?

Not even one? At least that confirms my own reading of the thread.

he has evidence, but it's hidden like the ghostly reputation he has in Black Rise XD

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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1302 - 2017-03-04 23:54:27 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:


He isn't claiming it as fact. That whole section of his post starts "In a very selfish point of view: I wouldn't mind..."

What more proof do you want that he thinks that?

Why is his opinion what it is. There has to be proof that has lead him to his own opinion. Otherwise hes just crazy.

Freighters are extremely effective at moving vast quantities of goods. When used properly they're also very safe, particularly jump freighters. The sheer potency of massive ships that can transport goods through just about any region of space much faster than regular transport ships in complete safety means they dominate the logistics sector. As a player that enjoys small-time f*&kery and small trading operations outside the safety of HiSec, that domination denies me a lot of opportunity in my preferred play style.

That's where my opinion comes from and why I wouldn't mind seeing JFs go *poof* in a cloud of magic dust.

That said, the knock on effects could be severe or even disastrous considering many large alliances are very much dependent on JF for their logistic needs. Without adequate replacement, nullsec empires could suffer greatly. I'm not so selfish that I'd make a serious suggestion on the matter because I don't feel my own desire for more profit should outweigh the enjoyment of many thousands of other players.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1303 - 2017-03-04 23:56:48 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Well go through and read all the posts, pick out what everyone has said and write it down, being sure not to repeat things. Then list it here in a post and we can discuss it from there. Be sure not to inject your own biased into this list.

So, you can't even point to even a single piece of evidence posted earlier in this thread that can be discussed that supports your claims?

Not even one? At least that confirms my own reading of the thread.

he has evidence, but it's hidden like the ghostly reputation he has in Black Rise XD

Says the individual who sits in Uedama day in / day-out
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1304 - 2017-03-05 00:02:07 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Well go through and read all the posts, pick out what everyone has said and write it down, being sure not to repeat things. Then list it here in a post and we can discuss it from there. Be sure not to inject your own biased into this list.

So, you can't even point to even a single piece of evidence posted earlier in this thread that can be discussed that supports your claims?

Not even one? At least that confirms my own reading of the thread.

he has evidence, but it's hidden like the ghostly reputation he has in Black Rise XD

Says the individual who sits in Uedama day in / day-out

Then just post a link to even one piece of evidence posted earlier in this thread.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1305 - 2017-03-05 00:02:49 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Jump in-game and follow them around for a day. Then tell me what faction police did besides follow them around the whole time.

Yeah, I totally did that once. While in HiSec:

They never ran any missions, didn't run exploration sites, didn't camp gates, had to rely on other people to scout targets for them.

Faction police are so effective at what they do you simply they're not doing their jobs properly.


And why would a gank team such as karmafleet be interested in anything in highsec but ganking .
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1306 - 2017-03-05 00:06:45 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Jump in-game and follow them around for a day. Then tell me what faction police did besides follow them around the whole time.

Yeah, I totally did that once. While in HiSec:

They never ran any missions, didn't run exploration sites, didn't camp gates, had to rely on other people to scout targets for them.

Faction police are so effective at what they do you simply they're not doing their jobs properly.


And why would a gank team such as karmafleet be interested in anything in highsec but ganking .

Same reason why anyone would be interested in anything: Fun and profit.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1307 - 2017-03-05 00:09:05 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Jump in-game and follow them around for a day. Then tell me what faction police did besides follow them around the whole time.

Yeah, I totally did that once. While in HiSec:

They never ran any missions, didn't run exploration sites, didn't camp gates, had to rely on other people to scout targets for them.

Faction police are so effective at what they do you simply they're not doing their jobs properly.


And why would a gank team such as karmafleet be interested in anything in highsec but ganking .

Same reason why anyone would be interested in anything: Fun and profit.


That's what their lowsec goon mains are for. Karma fleet is for insane isk generation so that they don't have to pay subscriptions ever.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1308 - 2017-03-05 00:09:54 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Jump in-game and follow them around for a day. Then tell me what faction police did besides follow them around the whole time.

Yeah, I totally did that once. While in HiSec:

They never ran any missions, didn't run exploration sites, didn't camp gates, had to rely on other people to scout targets for them.

Faction police are so effective at what they do you simply they're not doing their jobs properly.


And why would a gank team such as karmafleet be interested in anything in highsec but ganking .

Same reason why anyone would be interested in anything: Fun and profit.

According to Erich, fun and profit is to be outlawed Roll

Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1309 - 2017-03-05 00:21:37 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Jump in-game and follow them around for a day. Then tell me what faction police did besides follow them around the whole time.

Yeah, I totally did that once. While in HiSec:

They never ran any missions, didn't run exploration sites, didn't camp gates, had to rely on other people to scout targets for them.

Faction police are so effective at what they do you simply they're not doing their jobs properly.


And why would a gank team such as karmafleet be interested in anything in highsec but ganking .

Same reason why anyone would be interested in anything: Fun and profit.


That's what their lowsec goon mains are for. Karma fleet is for insane isk generation so that they don't have to pay subscriptions ever.

Don't the ratting figures suggest they make their profit in null by slaughtering NPCs all day e'ry day?

I guess there's no reason you can't profit from both.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1310 - 2017-03-05 00:35:47 UTC
Come on guys... We can make it to 10000 views. OP needs all-day everyday exposure. I believe in your troll....
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1311 - 2017-03-05 00:40:28 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Come on guys... We can make it to 10000 views. OP needs all-day everyday exposure. I believe in your troll....

Unfortunately you are trolling harder then anyone.

Views don't make an idea more likely to be implemented.

Good, objective argument supported by evidence is the way to influence CCP.

Everything else is a complete distraction and more likely to make them take one look, see the rubbish and leave.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1312 - 2017-03-05 00:53:15 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:


Everything else is a complete distraction and more likely to make them take one look, see the rubbish and leave.


So you admit you have been intentionally trashing the thread for the last 20 pages....
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1313 - 2017-03-05 00:56:55 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:


Everything else is a complete distraction and more likely to make them take one look, see the rubbish and leave.


So you admit you have been intentionally trashing the thread for the last 20 pages....

If by asking for evidence of what you claim and posting evidence of my own where I can, then I guess so, but I'm not sure I've been taking part for all of the last 20 pages.

But, I'd be happy to discuss this objectively and look at what evidence there is to support the claims in the OP.

If you can post some (or a link to even one piece of evidence that I haven't been able to find after looking through the whole thread), that would be a good start.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1314 - 2017-03-05 00:59:05 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:


Everything else is a complete distraction and more likely to make them take one look, see the rubbish and leave.


So you admit you have been intentionally trashing the thread for the last 20 pages....

If by asking for evidence of what you claim and posting evidence of my own where I can, then I guess so, but I'm not sure I've been taking part for all of the last 20 pages.

But, I'd be happy to discuss this objectively and look at what evidence there is to support the claims in the OP.

If you can post some (or a link to even one piece of evidence that I haven't been able to find after looking through the whole thread), that would be a good start.

At best, he'll repeat his opinion or tell you to go find it yourself, again.

So, we'll he troll again or will he add something new to the conversation.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1315 - 2017-03-05 01:09:14 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:


Everything else is a complete distraction and more likely to make them take one look, see the rubbish and leave.


So you admit you have been intentionally trashing the thread for the last 20 pages....

If by asking for evidence of what you claim and posting evidence of my own where I can, then I guess so, but I'm not sure I've been taking part for all of the last 20 pages.

But, I'd be happy to discuss this objectively and look at what evidence there is to support the claims in the OP.

If you can post some (or a link to even one piece of evidence that I haven't been able to find after looking through the whole thread), that would be a good start.


Im sorry that you keep insisting I repeat myself just because you joined the thread during its troll stages but if you cant go back and read anything then thats on you. If you need easy proof that gankers are ignoring faction police mechanics, just go to Jita V - Moon 17 station and follow them around. You will see that faction police do nothing but trail them around all day long. You will also see that they dont quit warping (to prevent other players targeting their fleet) until they hit their target. Please post a video of yourself preventing them from ganking their target without going criminal yourself. You say that preventing a gank is easy, walk the walk and show us (throught a video) what you are insisting is so easy.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1316 - 2017-03-05 01:11:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
Hiasa Kite wrote:


So, we'll he troll again or will he add something new to the conversation.


... and this guy started copy and pasting walls of texts into his posts and has been flagged many times already. Go back and look at his posts 10 to 15 pages ago.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1317 - 2017-03-05 01:17:25 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:


So, we'll he troll again or will he add something new to the conversation.


... and this guy started copy and pasting walls of texts into his posts and has been flagged many times already. Go back and look at his posts 10 to 15 pages ago.

Yeah, just check my post history, this thread is pretty much the only one I've been posting in. You'll see me asking for proof, but I'm just constantly fobbed off and trolled. I must admit I've flagged a few of the most egregious troll attempts.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1318 - 2017-03-05 01:17:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Erich Einstein wrote:
Im sorry that you keep insisting I repeat myself just because you joined the thread during its troll stages but if you cant go back and read anything then thats on you.

I've already gone back and read the whole thread, but I'm not necessarily the sharpest knife in the drawer, so may have missed it.

However, having not been able to find even one piece of evidence, I'm just asking because you say it is there. Even just one link to evidence posted earlier?

Even a rough guide to the page number of one piece of evidence is enough. It's been stated several times that it is there, so I'll happily go back and read it. Unfortunately, 'in the first 40 pages' is not much help (that's 800 posts), possibly because I'm just not smart enough to recognise where it has been posted.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1319 - 2017-03-05 01:20:32 UTC
If the evidence existed, he would've linked it right in the OP. This thread has gone on for over a thousand posts and nothing has been presented.

I think it's safe to say at this point it's just a troll thread. Ugh, and I've posted so much in it.

Well, 9/10 OP. You got me.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1320 - 2017-03-05 01:23:14 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Im sorry that you keep insisting I repeat myself just because you joined the thread during its troll stages but if you cant go back and read anything then thats on you.

I've already gone back and read the whole thread, but I'm not necessarily the sharpest knife in the drawer, so may have missed it.

However, having not been able to find even one piece of evidence, I'm just asking because you say it is there. Even just one link to evidence posted earlier?

Even a rough guide to the page number of one piece of evidence is enough. It's been stated several times that it is there, so I'll happily go back and read it. Unfortunately, 'in the first 40 pages' is not much help, possibly because I'm just not smart enough to recognise where it has been posted.


Im sorry if you dont understand... not my problem.