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High Sec Ganking - CONCORD Balance request

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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1261 - 2017-03-04 22:48:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:

Dom Arkaral 4.9 2

hahahahah
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Most of your kills in the last 2500 ganks by CODE. are wardec kills, not ganks.


Who cares about code, they have already been shut down and no longer run any major ops. Just a few miners here and there. It's the goons in jita that are the focus. I need to update my slogan #codeCONTROL to #goonCONTROL so that you guys stop getting confused as to what the issue is hete.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1262 - 2017-03-04 22:48:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp.

Should get rid of that Mach and go for a Rapier, Huginn or web Loki instead.

No need to worry about trying to bump the bumper. Just avoid it completely.


You completely missed the point I was making.

No, I didn't at all. I understood what you were saying, but there's really no excuse for Freighter pilots who end up in a bumped situation. It's totally avoidable to begin with.


Yeah, by paying twice as much to play the game.

If you had a Machariel, how is switching that to a Rapier, Huginn or Loki paying twice as much?

Honest question. How is switching from 1 ship to another, twice the cost to play?

As for other Freighter pilots, it is just as possible, with 2 players, not 2 accounts.

However, it is all totally a choice. Not compulsory. Manage risk, or don't and if the choice is to manage risk by having a Machariel, then the better choice is to switch that Machariel out for a much more effective strategy.

If 2 characters can defeat a fleet of 20 by not ever being bumped to begin with, then that's better than those 20 other players.

This game is full of alts and no one is suggesting people pay more than they are willing/can afford to pay. Find a friend if you are a true one account hero. However, if you are going to fly a Freighter around, don't expect to be safe if you take no precautions. That's your choice. Wear the consequences.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1263 - 2017-03-04 22:53:40 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
So now you have to split the pathetic contract rewards with someone else. Ok 10 gates. That's 1.5mil for you and 1.5mil for me.

Or chance it and go solo. The majority of freighters do just fine, anyway. If they didn't, you wouldn't be settling for a lousy 3mil ISK for a 10 jump courier contract, would you?

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1264 - 2017-03-04 22:53:53 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
you are a confirmed ganker

As is every player who does pvp
#burn

Another proof that this whole thread is just you trying to get attention hahahahahaha


You are seriously stupid ... faction warfare is not considered ganking.

ganking is another term for killing...
back at ya homey

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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1265 - 2017-03-04 22:55:33 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:

Dom Arkaral 4.9 2

hahahahah
this is gold

edit: wooo for 1k likes
love you too

Most of your kills in the last 2500 ganks by CODE. are wardec kills, not ganks.

It might be that 2 of those were assumed to be ganks, since there was no indication of a wardec.

yeah or maybe a mtu :P

I just think it's funny when I see my sec status, then CODE. Lol

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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1266 - 2017-03-04 22:55:50 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp.

Should get rid of that Mach and go for a Rapier, Huginn or web Loki instead.

No need to worry about trying to bump the bumper. Just avoid it completely.


You completely missed the point I was making.

No, I didn't at all. I understood what you were saying, but there's really no excuse for Freighter pilots who end up in a bumped situation. It's totally avoidable to begin with.


Yeah, by paying twice as much to play the game.

Or teaming up with other people. Not a terrible idea considering how readily such a strategy counters 30-40 (your count) people, eh?

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1267 - 2017-03-04 22:56:13 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
So now you have to split the pathetic contract rewards with someone else. Ok 10 gates. That's 1.5mil for you and 1.5mil for me.

Or chance it and go solo. The majority of freighters do just fine, anyway. If they didn't, you wouldn't be settling for a lousy 3mil ISK for a 10 jump courier contract, would you?


It's like miners, who knows why they do it for just low wages, but they do...
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1268 - 2017-03-04 22:56:44 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:

Dom Arkaral 4.9 2

hahahahah
this is gold

edit: wooo for 1k likes
love you too

Most of your kills in the last 2500 ganks by CODE. are wardec kills, not ganks.


Who cares about code, they have already been shut down and no longer run any major ops. Just a few miners here and there. It's the goons in jita that are the focus. I need to update my slogan #codeCONTROL to #goonCONTROL so that you guys stop getting confused as to what the issue is hete.

hahahahaha

someone didn't get the memo hahahahahaahha

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1269 - 2017-03-04 22:57:55 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Who cares about code, they have already been shut down and no longer run any major ops. Just a few miners here and there. It's the goons in jita that are the focus. I need to update my slogan #codeCONTROL to #goonCONTROL so that you guys stop getting confused as to what the issue is hete.

Another case of if the data doesn't support your claim, you'll ignore it, even though you can totally go and repeat the analysis and look at whoever you like.

You aren't interested in evidence at all; and certainly not in validating whether your own views are true.

Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1270 - 2017-03-04 23:01:20 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Who cares about code, they have already been shut down and no longer run any major ops. Just a few miners here and there. It's the goons in jita that are the focus. I need to update my slogan #codeCONTROL to #goonCONTROL so that you guys stop getting confused as to what the issue is hete.

Another case of if the data doesn't support your claim, you'll ignore it, even though you can totally go and repeat the analysis and look at whoever you like.

You aren't interested in evidence at all; and certainly not in validating whether your own views are true.



Sorry ... what were you trying to say here.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1271 - 2017-03-04 23:01:36 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
So now you have to split the pathetic contract rewards with someone else. Ok 10 gates. That's 1.5mil for you and 1.5mil for me.

Or chance it and go solo. The majority of freighters do just fine, anyway. If they didn't, you wouldn't be settling for a lousy 3mil ISK for a 10 jump courier contract, would you?


It's like miners, who knows why they do it for just low wages, but they do...

There seems to be like, five people who genuinely do it for fun. The rest just seem to be lazy and/or stupid. It's the nature of the problem, really. Some people just settle for lower paying professions simply because they're easy rather than rewarding.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1272 - 2017-03-04 23:02:32 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Who cares about code, they have already been shut down and no longer run any major ops. Just a few miners here and there. It's the goons in jita that are the focus. I need to update my slogan #codeCONTROL to #goonCONTROL so that you guys stop getting confused as to what the issue is hete.

Another case of if the data doesn't support your claim, you'll ignore it, even though you can totally go and repeat the analysis and look at whoever you like.

You aren't interested in evidence at all; and certainly not in validating whether your own views are true.



Sorry ... what were you trying to say here.

You fobbed off his data with a rumour CODE. had shut down. It was a ruse and they're as active as they've ever been.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1273 - 2017-03-04 23:03:57 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Sorry ... what were you trying to say here.

That despite claiming to have Engineering and Computer Science degrees and knowing what a proof is, you aren't actually interested in proof at all.

You aren't interested in testing whether your assumptions are true, just in dismissing anything that doesn't suit your preconceived idea.

You're a charlatan.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#1274 - 2017-03-04 23:05:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
I was using as a test. It shows that you can not equip a freighter which is fast enough to get away from a bumper.

When faced with violence, freighters fare much better with an escort, preferably one with dual webs to get them into warp long before bump tackle can be established.

Quote:
I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp.

What about creating warp points on the trajectory that the bumper(s) is keeping the freighter on?


Hence you can not play the game as a freighter unless you pay twice as much as everyone else in subscription fees.

That's actually true. Freighters are capital ships. One could assume that not ganking is the problem here, especially since a serious group is required to kill one ín highsec. As a capital ship they are an asset that requires a group to properly field it. And one could raise the question, whether they should be allowed in highsec at all as a capital ship.

Remove standings and insurance.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1275 - 2017-03-04 23:05:44 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:

Dom Arkaral 4.9 2

hahahahah
this is gold

edit: wooo for 1k likes
love you too

Most of your kills in the last 2500 ganks by CODE. are wardec kills, not ganks.


Who cares about code, they have already been shut down and no longer run any major ops. Just a few miners here and there. It's the goons in jita that are the focus. I need to update my slogan #codeCONTROL to #goonCONTROL so that you guys stop getting confused as to what the issue is hete.

hahahahaha

someone didn't get the memo hahahahahaahha


Cute.... Kushion us such a sweetheart.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1276 - 2017-03-04 23:07:01 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
I was using as a test. It shows that you can not equip a freighter which is fast enough to get away from a bumper.

When faced with violence, freighters fare much better with an escort, preferably one with dual webs to get them into warp long before bump tackle can be established.

Quote:
I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp.

What about creating warp points on the trajectory that the bumper(s) is keeping the freighter on?


Hence you can not play the game as a freighter unless you pay twice as much as everyone else in subscription fees.

That's actually true. Freighters are capital ships. One could assume that not ganking is the problem here, especially since a serious group is required to kill one ín highsec. As a capital ship they are an asset that requires a group to properly field it. And one could raise the question, whether they should be allowed in highsec at all as a capital ship.


Preach it sister....
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1277 - 2017-03-04 23:07:57 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
I was using as a test. It shows that you can not equip a freighter which is fast enough to get away from a bumper.

When faced with violence, freighters fare much better with an escort, preferably one with dual webs to get them into warp long before bump tackle can be established.

Quote:
I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp.

What about creating warp points on the trajectory that the bumper(s) is keeping the freighter on?


Hence you can not play the game as a freighter unless you pay twice as much as everyone else in subscription fees.

That's actually true. Freighters are capital ships. One could assume that not ganking is the problem here, especially since a serious group is required to kill one ín highsec. As a capital ship they are an asset that requires a group to properly field it. And one could raise the question, whether they should be allowed in highsec at all as a capital ship.


Too bad I know plenty of lowsec pilots who run solo in a cap.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1278 - 2017-03-04 23:09:07 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
That's actually true. Freighters are capital ships. One could assume that not ganking is the problem here, especially since a serious group is required to kill one ín highsec. As a capital ship they are an asset that requires a group to properly field it. And one could raise the question, whether they should be allowed in highsec at all as a capital ship.


Preach it sister....

In a very selfish point of view: I wouldn't mind seeing freighters and jump freighters disappearing. They're used far too much as catch-all logistics solutions IMO.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1279 - 2017-03-04 23:10:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
That's actually true. Freighters are capital ships. One could assume that not ganking is the problem here, especially since a serious group is required to kill one ín highsec. As a capital ship they are an asset that requires a group to properly field it. And one could raise the question, whether they should be allowed in highsec at all as a capital ship.


Preach it sister....

In a very selfish point of view: I wouldn't mind seeing freighters and jump freighters disappearing. They're used far too much as catch-all logistics solutions IMO.

In your opinion. Got any proof to back that up.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1280 - 2017-03-04 23:14:23 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
That's actually true. Freighters are capital ships. One could assume that not ganking is the problem here, especially since a serious group is required to kill one ín highsec. As a capital ship they are an asset that requires a group to properly field it. And one could raise the question, whether they should be allowed in highsec at all as a capital ship.


Preach it sister....

In a very selfish point of view: I wouldn't mind seeing freighters and jump freighters disappearing. They're used far too much as catch-all logistics solutions IMO.

In your opinion. Got any proof to back that up.

Do you have any proof to back up the implementation of your idea?

/me gets some more popcorn

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