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High Sec Ganking - CONCORD Balance request

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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1241 - 2017-03-04 22:15:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
hardly! I expected to lose that ship. Note that its completely empty!! P

You put 360m in mods on a freighter and do not expect to get ganked Shocked.

RollLol


I was using as a test. It shows that you can not equip a freighter which is fast enough to get away from a bumper. I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1242 - 2017-03-04 22:21:26 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
These tornados are not the ones who are ignoring faction police mechanics.

Criminals that ignore faction police mechanics are the criminals that die to faction police mechanics.

Quote:
The problem is the 30-40 man fleet running out of jita V (goons, karmafleet, gimme da loot, etc) that stay invulnerable in warp until the target is reached

You're upset that a 30-40 man fleet is effective at taking down one target? Wow.

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(the one being bumped and not able to get away)

The one that overloaded his freighter. The one that didn't use a scout or any intel system. The one that anti-tanked his freighter. The one without a webbing escort. The one that didn't double-wrap his valuable cargo. The one that no one seems interested to help.

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Then within a few seconds of attacking the freighter is wrecked.

Fun fact: Many fights in EVE are decided before anyone fires a single shot. This is hardly an exceptional scenario.

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There is not much you can do to prevent the freighter loss unless a small AG fleet criminally ganks the bumper before the squad arrives.

That's fine. Ganking is both cheap and easy, right?

"This logic is useless though because now AG takes security status hits and is viewed as a criminal without even making any profit."
That's really stupid. Why not make a profit by charging the freighter pilot a fee to break the tackle? Charge say, 200-300mil ISK which should result in a tidy profit even if you lose a ship/sec status. The freighter pilot saves his billions of ISK in spaceship and loot.

Win-win.

"The tornado guy's are banking the the way it should be done (managing security status). The fleet gankers are the ones abusing system mechanics."
In your opinion.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1243 - 2017-03-04 22:23:38 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
I was using as a test. It shows that you can not equip a freighter which is fast enough to get away from a bumper.

When faced with violence, freighters fare much better with an escort, preferably one with dual webs to get them into warp long before bump tackle can be established.

Quote:
I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp.

What about creating warp points on the trajectory that the bumper(s) is keeping the freighter on?

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1244 - 2017-03-04 22:27:53 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp.

Should get rid of that Mach and go for a Rapier, Huginn or web Loki instead.

No need to worry about trying to bump the bumper. Just avoid it completely.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1245 - 2017-03-04 22:31:22 UTC
@Hiasa Kite

I've never seen someone spew out so much random BS. You did not address the point of my post, you just threw out random comments. You seriously need to go to the doctor and get checked out for trollidous.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1246 - 2017-03-04 22:31:54 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:

Dom Arkaral 4.9 2

hahahahah
this is gold

edit: wooo for 1k likes
love you too

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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1247 - 2017-03-04 22:32:26 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp.

Should get rid of that Mach and go for a Rapier, Huginn or web Loki instead.

No need to worry about trying to bump the bumper. Just avoid it completely.


You completely missed the point I was making.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1248 - 2017-03-04 22:32:43 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
@Hiasa Kite

I've never seen someone spew out so much random BS. You did not address the point of my post, you just threw out random comments. You seriously need to go to the doctor and get checked out for trollidous.

At first I thought you were just stupid. Now I strongly suspect you're a troll.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1249 - 2017-03-04 22:33:43 UTC
oy Erich,
5 pages later and I'm still waiting for those mechanics Lol

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Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1250 - 2017-03-04 22:35:34 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
I was using as a test. It shows that you can not equip a freighter which is fast enough to get away from a bumper.

When faced with violence, freighters fare much better with an escort, preferably one with dual webs to get them into warp long before bump tackle can be established.

Quote:
I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp.

What about creating warp points on the trajectory that the bumper(s) is keeping the freighter on?


Hence you can not play the game as a freighter unless you pay twice as much as everyone else in subscription fees.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1251 - 2017-03-04 22:36:32 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
oy Erich,
5 pages later and I'm still waiting for those mechanics Lol

Wait as long as you wish because you are a confirmed ganker and will troll anything anyone says.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1252 - 2017-03-04 22:37:47 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
you are a confirmed ganker

As is every player who does pvp
#burn

Another proof that this whole thread is just you trying to get attention hahahahahaha

Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1253 - 2017-03-04 22:40:10 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
you are a confirmed ganker

As is every player who does pvp
#burn

Another proof that this whole thread is just you trying to get attention hahahahahaha


You are seriously stupid ... faction warfare is not considered ganking.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1254 - 2017-03-04 22:41:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiasa Kite
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
I was using as a test. It shows that you can not equip a freighter which is fast enough to get away from a bumper.

When faced with violence, freighters fare much better with an escort, preferably one with dual webs to get them into warp long before bump tackle can be established.

Quote:
I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp.

What about creating warp points on the trajectory that the bumper(s) is keeping the freighter on?


Hence you can not play the game as a freighter unless you pay twice as much as everyone else in subscription fees.

Or team up with someone else. Shocking concept in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game, I know.

Edit: That said, it's common for freighter pilots to have multiple accounts, anyway on account of the fact that freight is both time consuming and boring. Play one account while the other makes money. Not my cup of tea but I can appreciate why others do it.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1255 - 2017-03-04 22:42:23 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
you are a confirmed ganker

As is every player who does pvp
#burn

Another proof that this whole thread is just you trying to get attention hahahahahaha


You are seriously stupid ... faction warfare is not considered ganking.

In your opinion.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1256 - 2017-03-04 22:43:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
I was using as a test. It shows that you can not equip a freighter which is fast enough to get away from a bumper.

When faced with violence, freighters fare much better with an escort, preferably one with dual webs to get them into warp long before bump tackle can be established.

Quote:
I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp.

What about creating warp points on the trajectory that the bumper(s) is keeping the freighter on?


Hence you can not play the game as a freighter unless you pay twice as much as everyone else in subscription fees.

Or team up with someone else. Shocking concept in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game, I know.


So now you have to split the pathetic contract rewards with someone else. Ok 10 gates. That's 1.5mil for you and 1.5mil for me.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1257 - 2017-03-04 22:44:15 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp.

Should get rid of that Mach and go for a Rapier, Huginn or web Loki instead.

No need to worry about trying to bump the bumper. Just avoid it completely.


You completely missed the point I was making.

No, I didn't at all. I understood what you were saying, but there's really no excuse for Freighter pilots who end up in a bumped situation. It's totally avoidable to begin with.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1258 - 2017-03-04 22:45:37 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
you are a confirmed ganker

As is every player who does pvp
#burn

Another proof that this whole thread is just you trying to get attention hahahahahaha


You are seriously stupid ... faction warfare is not considered ganking.

In your opinion.

LLLLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1259 - 2017-03-04 22:45:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:

Dom Arkaral 4.9 2

hahahahah
this is gold

edit: wooo for 1k likes
love you too

Most of your kills in the last 2500 ganks by CODE. are wardec kills, not ganks.

It might be that 2 of those were assumed to be ganks, since there was no indication of a wardec.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1260 - 2017-03-04 22:46:53 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp.

Should get rid of that Mach and go for a Rapier, Huginn or web Loki instead.

No need to worry about trying to bump the bumper. Just avoid it completely.


You completely missed the point I was making.

No, I didn't at all. I understood what you were saying, but there's really no excuse for Freighter pilots who end up in a bumped situation. It's totally avoidable to begin with.


Yeah, by paying twice as much to play the game.