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High Sec Ganking - CONCORD Balance request

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1221 - 2017-03-04 12:32:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Hiasa Kite wrote:
He can't and he won't.
I know, but he'll post some garbled nonsense anyway, and I shall be amused by it.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#1222 - 2017-03-04 15:06:07 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
@Jonah Gravenstein
@Daichi Yamato

So much trolling;
Didn't know that wood have ability to write on a keyboard or they hire someone for them to do it?

This is the last time when i'm answering for a bullshit what it's came out of your "called brain";


Case in point. Rather than argue your position you attack others.

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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#1223 - 2017-03-04 15:26:38 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
@Jonah Gravenstein
@Daichi Yamato

So much trolling;
Didn't know that wood have ability to write on a keyboard or they hire someone for them to do it?

This is the last time when i'm answering for a bullshit what it's came out of your "called brain";

Naye's definition of trolling: Pointing out the flaws in your argument.



Wooot?! hahaha :) yeah so far they didn't point anything, same as you =] that it's called a trolling;
I pointed out that most gankers can be shot at freely due to their security status, even if they don't have a criminal or suspect flag.

That is a fact, not an opinion; there's a significant difference between them which you, and your friends, have apparently failed to grasp. Now, please explain how making a statement of fact is trolling.


That's a last answer for you as you liar and trying to mess with others brains (at least they got it);

Here is yours "easy to kill targets cause of security status not effort at all pure ownage"

Killing a suicide gangers

But like I said - as you are just a pure TROLL, lying others and trying to looks as a smart one... I'm not gonna answer for any of your post - so this is the last one.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1224 - 2017-03-04 16:13:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I pointed out that most gankers can be shot at freely due to their security status, even if they don't have a criminal or suspect flag.

That is a fact, not an opinion; there's a significant difference between them which you, and your friends, have apparently failed to grasp. Now, please explain how making a statement of fact is trolling.


That's a last answer for you as you liar and trying to mess with others brains (at least they got it);

Here is yours "easy to kill targets cause of security status not effort at all pure ownage"

Killing a suicide gangers

But like I said - as you are just a pure TROLL, lying others and trying to looks as a smart one... I'm not gonna answer for any of your post - so this is the last one.
I never said that they would be easy to kill, that would have been a lie. I said that due to their security status most could be shot at freely, which definitely isn't a lie.

That Sir Livingstone purchased the killrights on those players heads in order to kill them suggests that their security status was above -5, which is the threshold for being a free to engage target based on security status; -5 to -10 being the range in which anybody can freely shoot at you in highsec without needing killrights or flags.

Now.... where's the lie?

Should we add the truth and lies to the ever growing list of things that you and your friends don't understand?

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ganks theman
Universal Exos
#1225 - 2017-03-04 16:17:40 UTC
the way things are right now suicide ganking doesn't need to become an easier task

ganks theman =  gangster man :P
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#1226 - 2017-03-04 18:03:12 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I pointed out that most gankers can be shot at freely due to their security status, even if they don't have a criminal or suspect flag.

That is a fact, not an opinion; there's a significant difference between them which you, and your friends, have apparently failed to grasp. Now, please explain how making a statement of fact is trolling.


That's a last answer for you as you liar and trying to mess with others brains (at least they got it);

Here is yours "easy to kill targets cause of security status not effort at all pure ownage"

Killing a suicide gangers

But like I said - as you are just a pure TROLL, lying others and trying to looks as a smart one... I'm not gonna answer for any of your post - so this is the last one.
I never said that they would be easy to kill, that would have been a lie. I said that due to their security status most could be shot at freely, which definitely isn't a lie.

That Sir Livingstone purchased the killrights on those players heads in order to kill them suggests that their security status was above -5, which is the threshold for being a free to engage target based on security status; -5 to -10 being the range in which anybody can freely shoot at you in highsec without needing killrights or flags.

Now.... where's the lie?

Should we add the truth and lies to the ever growing list of things that you and your friends don't understand?


Lie is as the gangers sits with sec status above -5 which wont let them gang in space as they are cleared their status for 150 mil already;
Roger out;
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1227 - 2017-03-04 18:28:49 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Lie is as the gangers sits with sec status above -5 which wont let them gang in space as they are cleared their status for 150 mil already;
Roger out;
The relevant word was "most", which is not the same as all.

Certainly some gankers do pay for tags to repair their sec status, however many do not.

Now that we've got that out of the way, where did I tell a lie, and how was I trolling?

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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1228 - 2017-03-04 18:40:08 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Lie is as the gangers sits with sec status above -5 which wont let them gang in space as they are cleared their status for 150 mil already;
Roger out;
The relevant word was "most", which is not the same as all.

Certainly some gankers do pay for tags to repair their sec status, however many do not.

Now that we've got that out of the way, where did I tell a lie, and how was I trolling?

Well, you disagreed with him and pointed out the flaws in his posts.

You stupid troll!

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1229 - 2017-03-04 18:42:45 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Lie is as the gangers sits with sec status above -5 which wont let them gang in space as they are cleared their status for 150 mil already;
Roger out;
The relevant word was "most", which is not the same as all.

Certainly some gankers do pay for tags to repair their sec status, however many do not.

Now that we've got that out of the way, where did I tell a lie, and how was I trolling?


Not only that but from the video we see he got 2 tornadoes, that alone could be enough for foil a specific gank. Yes, they may very well reship and come back, but the freighter they did have in mind of ganking may very well be in a 0.8 or even a 0.9 system. That is, you don't have to kill them all, just enough so that their DPS drops low enough to prevent the gank.

You can also try to scan these guys down too ya know. Scan them down, warp into the middle of them, scram some release drones and start shooting.

But nooo. That isn't good enough.

Anyone getting the impression these guys are just fecking lazy as Hell?

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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#1230 - 2017-03-04 18:46:18 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Lie is as the gangers sits with sec status above -5 which wont let them gang in space as they are cleared their status for 150 mil already;
Roger out;
The relevant word was "most", which is not the same as all.

Certainly some gankers do pay for tags to repair their sec status, however many do not.

Now that we've got that out of the way, where did I tell a lie, and how was I trolling?


Show me a prove that "many do not" - as repairing their status is cheap and ez;
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#1231 - 2017-03-04 18:48:43 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Lie is as the gangers sits with sec status above -5 which wont let them gang in space as they are cleared their status for 150 mil already;
Roger out;
The relevant word was "most", which is not the same as all.

Certainly some gankers do pay for tags to repair their sec status, however many do not.

Now that we've got that out of the way, where did I tell a lie, and how was I trolling?


Not only that but from the video we see he got 2 tornadoes, that alone could be enough for foil a specific gank. Yes, they may very well reship and come back, but the freighter they did have in mind of ganking may very well be in a 0.8 or even a 0.9 system. That is, you don't have to kill them all, just enough so that their DPS drops low enough to prevent the gank.

You can also try to scan these guys down too ya know. Scan them down, warp into the middle of them, scram some release drones and start shooting.

But nooo. That isn't good enough.

Anyone getting the impression these guys are just fecking lazy as Hell?


**** im done with that massive **** of trolls;
You just throw at them with evidence and they still trying to prove you that "it's fine like it is" fck u :) no more respond from a twats like u =]
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1232 - 2017-03-04 18:51:37 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Lie is as the gangers sits with sec status above -5 which wont let them gang in space as they are cleared their status for 150 mil already;
Roger out;
The relevant word was "most", which is not the same as all.

Certainly some gankers do pay for tags to repair their sec status, however many do not.

Now that we've got that out of the way, where did I tell a lie, and how was I trolling?


Show me a prove that "many do not" - as repairing their status is cheap and ez;

It depends on who needs to and who doesn't. Those who simply undock and gank won't bother. Those who sit at gates, blapping the juicy targets before they move on need to fix their sec status.

Also, repairing sec status is tedious as it's not just a click of a button, the tags must be turned in by the character in question. Also, isn't the effective cost per gank like 20mil ISK a pop? Serious question, I'm really not sure. Anyone with actual info on that?

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1233 - 2017-03-04 18:55:48 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:


**** im done with that massive **** of trolls;
You just throw at them with evidence and they still trying to prove you that "it's fine like it is" fck u :) no more respond from a twats like u =]


What evidence? Your own video shows it is possible to shoot these guys. He blapped 2 tornados, got some loot, and then was bribed to leave them alone.

Sounds like a totally valid counter to me.

You are bitching and whining and crying like a punk. Why? Because, well...to be honest either you suck or your are lazy, possibly both. Get a few friends. Fleet up. Fit a ship with probes, scan the bastards down if they are at a ping. Warp into them and then you and your buddies shoot everyone that either has a kill right or has a low enough sec status. If they have 15 guys and you kill 5 and now they don't have enough DPS...no gank until those guys come back. You win, for now.

And good thing is every time they gank somebody they acquire a new kill right.

Get off your arse and go shoot them vs. crying here.

And if HS scrubs would stop putting tens of millions to activate their kill rights they'd likely make it even easier to shoot the gankers. But nope, the losers are either greedy or just ignorant of how the system works.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1234 - 2017-03-04 19:05:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Teckos Pech wrote:
the losers are either greedy or just ignorant of how the system works.
Well, they are generally the same numbskulls that think cramming their freighters full of isk and then using Autopillock* is a good idea.

Stupid is as stupid does.

*Thanks to a random guy on the Eve facebook page for this gem of a word, told him I was going to steal it.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1235 - 2017-03-04 19:22:44 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
the losers are either greedy or just ignorant of how the system works.
Well, they are generally the same numbskulls that think cramming their freighters full of isk and then using Autopillock* is a good idea.

Stupid is as stupid does.

*Thanks to a random guy on the Eve facebook page for this gem of a word, told him I was going to steal it.


Indeed, greed and stupidity is a dangerous combination.

And yes, pillock is a wonderful word.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1236 - 2017-03-04 19:28:37 UTC
^^ That it is, it's a very English word and as a Brit I've used it for years. What I never considered was using it in combination with auto as a synonym for Autopilot

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Wanda Fayne
#1237 - 2017-03-04 21:29:52 UTC
If I had an isk for everytime the word 'troll' used in this thread, I'd be well on my way to buy that Chameleon I wantz...P

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#1238 - 2017-03-04 21:49:34 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
hardly! I expected to lose that ship. Note that its completely empty!! P

You put 360m in mods on a freighter and do not expect to get ganked Shocked.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1239 - 2017-03-04 21:53:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Lie is as the gangers sits with sec status above -5 which wont let them gang in space as they are cleared their status for 150 mil already;
Roger out;

Show me a prove that "many do not" - as repairing their status is cheap and ez;

I just pulled the last 2500 ganks by CODE.

Total ganks analysed: 2543
Total CODE. members involved: 112

% of CODE. members as outlaw when ganking: 78.6% (88 of 112)
% of CODE. members not outlaw when ganking: 21.4%

% of outlaw ganks: 93.7% (2382 of 2543)
% of not outlaw ganks: 6.3% (161 of 2543)

The CODE. attackers on gank killmails are outlaw 93.7% of the time.

You can repeat the analysis yourself if you like. Here's the data (A total of about 4000 killmails as not all CODE. kills are ganks)::
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1nitFwBo5aARjRfZTlmd3dETUk

This result is consistent across months of checking data. >90% of CODE. attackers that appear on killmails are outlaw.

CODE. of course aren't the only gankers in existence, just the most active.

____________________________________________

And here are the names:

NameSec Status # Ganks
Zane Arnolles -10 32
Aaaarrgg -10 138
Skiff Poddington -10 46
Kiara Successfuel -10 13
Kirigi -10 28
Milkmypigeon -10 15
Kibbera -10 76
Count Ragnar Danneskjold -10 25
Koiji -10 28
Agent Hex -10 2
Captain Cortar -10 24
Ralliana -10 2
Jeremiah Kusion -10 47
Yabba Dabba Do -10 10
ST0NER SMURFETTE -10 1
Brutal Anna -10 8
Keraina Talie-Kuo -10 77
Perlo Tissant -10 8
Mack Poddington -10 44
Knackered Old Goat -10 2
Guybertini -10 58
Jackson Kusion -10 46
ST0NER SMURF -10 1
Ima Wreckyou -10 4
Ngoq TlhamChu' ChutEnforce -10 7
PostOp Transexual -10 13
Kanji Kan -10 28
Luna Nightblood -10 1
Alt 00 -10 29
Photon Death -10 57
Plasma Death -10 61
Mildron Klinker -10 90
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri -10 26
Andrea Ellecon -10 3
Mark Eting -10 8
Pod-Goo Repoman -10 9
Lament von Gankenheim -10 2
Jack Van Impe -10 3
Joseph Kusion -10 47
Lillie Naari -10 28
Tender Sometimes -10 8
NotTheSmartestCookie -10 42
Hulk Poddington -10 45
Molly Klinker -10 82
GR13Fy -10 17
Alexander Kirenski -10 10
Fiddly Pop -10 43
Jason Kusion -10 54
V-ktor Dolus -10 2
Joel Kusion -10 50
Joshua Kusion -10 49
Hide Yo Hulks -10 5
Spine Ripper -10 11
Justin Kusion -10 50
Charlie Nelson Reilly -10 3
Krominal -10 43
Vilinensis Octoria -10 2
Liek DarZ -10 64
Jake Kusion -10 50
Lawrence Lawton -10 51
Brigantine M2 -10 5
Pod-Goo RepoWoman -10 62
Johnathan Kusion -10 46
Jana Grebb -10 20
DEVILISH ST0NER SMURF -10 1
Eleni Helios -10 15
Tisiphone Dira -10 57
Alt Proxy -10 21
Jayden Kusion -10 50
Rick Therapist -10 13
Gavril Ilizarov -10 5
Lichelle Marie -9.9 34
Agrona Martin -9.8 5
Baby Lemba -9.8 13
Lemba -9.7 10
Kill-Chan -9.6 13
Cautiously Pessimistic -9.5 37
I Can't Even -9.4 3
Booka Shade -8.9 3
Ron Chi -8.9 2
Marshall Mathars -6.9 1
Zombiepilot -6.9 3
achterlijke -6.7 9
Zopiclone -6.6 42
007 JBond -6.6 53
Duratan Muhahaha -6 6
Savin Aulmais -5.5 1
Nitetime Video -5 24
Sasha Nemtsov -4.9 2
William Morgane -4.5 2
Dude Magic -4.5 12
Marina Gankalot -4.1 6
Calrizzan -3.7 15
Lisa Tancos -3.7 7
Pod-Goo Repairman -3.2 6
Starshade -3 1
Tax Collector Discotime -2.9 8
Edward T'each -2.8 1
Snigie Audanie -2.7 23
Pod Destroyer Molly -2.3 6
Aaaarrggs Scout Alt -1.9 1
Super Perforator -1.9 17
Tax Collector Emile -1.8 1
Semtex Attor -1.7 6
Halifax Novacane -1.5 6
Tax Collector Richard -0.5 13
Jason Seitz -0.2 3
Ruby Daniella -0.2 2
Taxman Daniel -0.1 9
FightMeNow 0 3
Carebears' Nightmare 0.3 9
Dom Arkaral 4.9 2
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1240 - 2017-03-04 22:11:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
Teckos Pech wrote:


Not only that but from the video we see he got 2 tornadoes, that alone could be enough for foil a specific gank. Yes, they may very well reship and come back, but the freighter they did have in mind of ganking may very well be in a 0.8 or even a 0.9 system. That is, you don't have to kill them all, just enough so that their DPS drops low enough to prevent the gank.

You can also try to scan these guys down too ya know. Scan them down, warp into the middle of them, scram some release drones and start shooting.

But nooo. That isn't good enough.

Anyone getting the impression these guys are just fecking lazy as Hell?


Those who operate out of jita v do not gank in tornados like this. These tornados are not the ones who are ignoring faction police mechanics. They are keeping their security status in check to continue their ganks in highsec. The problem is the 30-40 man fleet running out of jita V (goons, karmafleet, gimme da loot, etc) that stay invulnerable in warp until the target is reached (the one being bumped and not able to get away). Then within a few seconds of attacking the freighter is wrecked. There is not much you can do to prevent the freighter loss unless a small AG fleet criminally ganks the bumper before the squad arrives. This logic is useless though because now AG takes security status hits and is viewed as a criminal without even making any profit. That's why no one cares to gank the bumper. The tornado guy's are ganking the the way it should be done (managing security status). The fleet gankers are the ones abusing system mechanics.