EVE General Discussion

Spies, corp-thieves and awoxers can be screened out (not all, but the most) as well as it being a show of trust from your side as well. At the end of the day, it's their corp, so they dictate the rules.

So far, I note that both of you have made recourse to the argument of authority, i.e., power, and neither have actually answered my question. This seems to be an absolutely clear-cut case of metagaming, then, in that you are going beyond the game, and actually demanding information about the player, for in-game use?

As for your argument about hiding, I hear it all the time, but let me ask you something by way of example. When you mail a letter, do you put it in an envelope, or do you send everything by postcard? Do you give anyone who asks, permission to read all your emails? Afterall, you have nothing to hide, right?

When a person expects other people, in real life, which this is a case of when you take the game this far, to actually query an entire account with out of game tools, we call that concept 'privacy.' It used to be a universally accepted right, and 'authority' was not abused as an excuse to violate it.

These types of answers coming so fast is alarming; you've really been so conditioned to lay down and show your neck to 'power?'

And now recourse to 'fear.' Because somebody MIGHT rip you off, you therefor feel entitled to preemptively violate the rights of all. This is an unacceptable evil. I've played around with these corporate settings, and it seems replete with DACs, both in roles, and on office containers. Furthermore there are in-game security log containers. It would seem that the options for you to secure things without recourse to violating the real human player's privacy, well, the game is full of them!

What, precisely are you saying can't be done with all these options to configure security around?

And on your point about your "privacy". There is none, especially online. I work as a programmer and trust me all your info is online. What you watched, what your habits are, what your quirks are, where you live, your address, literally everything at a finger tips away. Unless you use a proxy.. and even then..

I see. That's the same answer everyone in power always tries to hide behind. So, just to re-iterate, I'm not safe, anywhere in space, hi-sec wardeccing and ganking is fine, it's all part of the risk 'of the game.' Any evil act is acceptable, in game, because it creates 'content.' So much as this I have read and condensed here into a more or less simple statement of how players view EVE.

But, in the case of YOUR stuff, NO risk is acceptable, you'll violate basic, commonly established tenets of proper human interaction, abolish privacy, to protect yourself from the very risks you all say are part of the game? Your corporation is part of the game, too... But, not really, or more so, or what?

How do you justify away this hypocrisy?

OK you're just trolling. Buh bye.

Also, this is a game, not real life. Your "privacy" extends as far as CCP not revealing your personal information. Don't be an idiot and put sensitive information into a in-game mail.

SAGE THREAD

API only gives information about the characters. I cannot see your personal information. Everything is kept within the game.

A full api gives you information about all my toons. You know basically everything about my characters, at that point. You can see how much money I have, what and where my stuff is, on all of them.

I remember the thread where Cade was telling me that getting perfect intel was impossible, in game. I agree, it's always a risk. But the more you have, it seems, the less you care about the 'rules,' eh? An full-api key gives you absolutely perfect intelligence, if you want to do anything to me, or one of my other toons, as well.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but if I wanted to be a spy or whatever, I would use the in-game communications, as this would be appropriate. You're all trying to blunt the point instead of actually just admitting, 'Yes, it gives us the total upper hand. Unlike in a gank in game, unlike any 'content' generated by evil actions, we're so desperate to protect our in-game riches that we'll use every tool we can, even ones that require us to meta-game against everyone. We can't even decide whether or not to trust our in game employees based on their in game actions!'