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Japanese localization. RIP.
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Faith Winters
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2017-03-03 05:57:56 UTC
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5x4r5n/ccp_announced_termination_of_japanese_localization/

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CCP decided to terminate Japanese language support.


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Japanese community will not collapse instantly. But, unless something miracle happens, community scale will slowly shrink.


CryCryCry
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-03-03 05:59:40 UTC
smh...

when CCP does record of income and still shut down things...
#OnlyProfitReallyCount

pffffffff
sad times boiz
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2017-03-03 06:08:19 UTC
I thought English is pretty common in Japan?

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mkint
#4 - 2017-03-03 13:59:18 UTC
Since CCP couldn't even be arsed to keep a bunch of zero cost, unmoderated language channels open, why would it be assumed they'd keep a high investment localization project going? I'd expect to see even more localizations shut down in the near future.

This does reinforce the vibe I've been getting lately that CCP has pushed beyond their ability to perform or to even maintain a status quo. Over the next couple years, I'd expect a lot of expensive things (including game mechanics) to be removed from the game and lots of cheap things (skins and ships especially) to be added.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Cristl
#5 - 2017-03-03 14:43:04 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
I thought English is pretty common in Japan?
Definitely not, many people don't understand a word. It's nothing like, say, Hong Kong.
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#6 - 2017-03-03 21:30:44 UTC
yessss.... eve is dying... Roll
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#7 - 2017-03-04 00:29:05 UTC
That is sad.Cry

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#8 - 2017-03-04 01:01:21 UTC
Yeah, that's sad. I could see Japanese players loving Eve and becoming a force with a particular style and character. Don't know that I'd want to test ship fits 1 v 1 against a Japanese player.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2017-03-04 01:09:00 UTC
japaneses and koreans kick ass at any game!
they are good indeed
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#10 - 2017-03-04 04:33:16 UTC
mkint wrote:
Since CCP couldn't even be arsed to keep a bunch of zero cost, unmoderated language channels open, why would it be assumed they'd keep a high investment localization project going? I'd expect to see even more localizations shut down in the near future.

The channels weren't unmoderated, since any CCP channel CCP is responsible for any harassment, abuse and other such activities that go over the line in them. Meaning they were shut because CCP didn't have the tools to manage the liability from that responsibility in a reasonable manner, namely I imagine not enough people used them to justify a full time employee who spoke that language to moderate them, let alone a team.

Again with localisations CCP have to look at the number of people using it, the revenue those people bring in, and the cost of doing so. I agree it's sad to see it go, but really, lets not engage in random bashing where you have the basic facts utterly wrong.
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#11 - 2017-03-04 05:09:32 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
The channels weren't unmoderated, since any CCP channel CCP is responsible for any harassment, abuse and other such activities that go over the line in them. Meaning they were shut because CCP didn't have the tools to manage the liability from that responsibility in a reasonable manner, namely I imagine not enough people used them to justify a full time employee who spoke that language to moderate them, let alone a team.

That's like saying the CCP-made Intergalactic Summit channel (not to be confused with the forum section of the same name) is moderated or ever even looked at by CCP (hint: it isn't, and it's a problem).
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#12 - 2017-03-04 07:37:21 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:

That's like saying the CCP-made Intergalactic Summit channel (not to be confused with the forum section of the same name) is moderated or ever even looked at by CCP (hint: it isn't, and it's a problem).

While I believe I'm well on record for wanting more moderation in it, I also know it is moderated when people get truly extreme and that chat & game bans have been handed down from behaviour in it. So yeah..... CCP are responsible.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#13 - 2017-03-04 07:42:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
mkint wrote:
Since CCP couldn't even be arsed to keep a bunch of zero cost, unmoderated language channels open, why would it be assumed they'd keep a high investment localization project going? I'd expect to see even more localizations shut down in the near future.

This does reinforce the vibe I've been getting lately that CCP has pushed beyond their ability to perform or to even maintain a status quo. Over the next couple years, I'd expect a lot of expensive things (including game mechanics) to be removed from the game and lots of cheap things (skins and ships especially) to be added.


Yes, they're cutting down costs. Next in the chopping block are the forums, being moved to that godawful publicly licensed abomination called Discourse and the promise to "revisit the moderation policy" aka "remove most moderation and prosecute only legally liable behavior".

In one hand it is understandable that 15 €/$ a month in 2017 are not the same as they were in 2003, yet on the other hand the healthy way to deal with that is to escalate customers faster than inflation cuts the purchase power of your monthly income.

Yet keeping a healthy growing population is incompatible with focusing on highly motivated but minoritary player archetypes at the expense of the majoritary ones.

Ever since Rubicon, CCP Seagull and the guys who approved her vision decided to do everything in their hands to save 40% of the game population and hope the best for the other 60%. Well then, here we are. Kiss goodbye to non essential services. Kiss goodbye the smaller localizations (Russian French might be next), kiss goodbye your offices at the harbor, kiss goodbye the custom forums, kiss goodbye all that doesn't pulls its financial weight. And once that's gone, kiss goodbye to "redundant" employees, and then we will see who was right all these years while a few of us have been warning that winter was coming.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#14 - 2017-03-04 07:43:39 UTC
Proof that CCP hates the Caldari almost as much as they hate the Gallente....
Jacques d'Orleans
#15 - 2017-03-04 09:24:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacques d'Orleans
Japanese message by CCP Falcon

For non japanese speaking guys, here is the translation:


On the last day of March, the language support and account management specifications for Japanese native speakers will be greatly changed.
The contract between CCP and NEXON will be terminated on March 31, 2017 and the account associated with NEXON ID will be transferred to the CCP billing system from that day and all account management will be done directly from the EVE Online Secure website It will become available.

A mail will be sent soon to the email address (verified version) of the player who used EVE Online via NEXON. By releasing the association with the NEXON ID from the mail and transferring to the usual EVE Online account, you can use all the CCP Games account management services directly.

Please be aware that CCP Games will directly provide all services, account management and related support through the EVE Online secure website on March 31, 2017 when the contract with NEXON ends. As a result, even if you have unused NEXON points, you will not be able to use points from that day.

For that reason, EVE Online users who have NEXON points are encouraged to run out the points before March 31, 2017.

Also, after the transition on March 31, 2017, all Japanese players purchasing packages and omega subscriptions through the EVE Online secure website will be billed in US dollars. For details of payment method, please visit EVE Online Help Center.

In addition to changes related to account management, CCP will terminate the Japaneseization of the EVE Online client on March 31, 2017. As a result, the Japanese version of the client will be done at the end of March 2017 release (119.3). Regardless of this change, we will continue as usual about customer support for Japan, Japanese website, Japanese support.

If you are a native speaker of Japanese, after you complete the transition on March 31, 2017, if you are seeking support for account management, obtain a support ticket via the EVE Online help center and provide the necessary support It will be a flow to receive.

Likewise, if you have any questions about the transition, please contact CCP Games directly using a support ticket. Our customer support team will be glad to support you.

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2017-03-04 10:07:18 UTC
Sounds like a bold but necessary move. CCP is cutting down on proprietary setups and also tools, hoping the collateral damage is hedged by the cost savings.

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Austin Blythe
Doomheim
#17 - 2017-03-04 10:26:24 UTC
000Hunter000 wrote:
yessss.... eve is dying... Roll


Cool meme, bro Roll
mkint
#18 - 2017-03-04 13:30:19 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
mkint wrote:
Since CCP couldn't even be arsed to keep a bunch of zero cost, unmoderated language channels open, why would it be assumed they'd keep a high investment localization project going? I'd expect to see even more localizations shut down in the near future.

The channels weren't unmoderated, since any CCP channel CCP is responsible for any harassment, abuse and other such activities that go over the line in them. Meaning they were shut because CCP didn't have the tools to manage the liability from that responsibility in a reasonable manner, namely I imagine not enough people used them to justify a full time employee who spoke that language to moderate them, let alone a team.

Again with localisations CCP have to look at the number of people using it, the revenue those people bring in, and the cost of doing so. I agree it's sad to see it go, but really, lets not engage in random bashing where you have the basic facts utterly wrong.

Except the channels list has the EVE Uni channel, which CCP does NOT moderate. IMO, it's wrong of them to promote a private group like that, but nevertheless they set precedent. They don't moderate local, corp, or alliance channels either, so you can't say that they *have* to moderate any channels at they don't want to. I honestly have no idea why CCP does some of the things they do except for being completely out of touch.

I'm not exactly against the end of the Japanese localization... I'm just saying expect more cuts. I wonder if it has to do with Alphas not stemming the decline of EVE, and maybe they are planning for the worst.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Lucas Garin
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2017-03-08 22:28:50 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Yeah, that's sad. I could see Japanese players loving Eve and becoming a force with a particular style and character. Don't know that I'd want to test ship fits 1 v 1 against a Japanese player.


This is definitely sad news. The Japanese are super avid game players, and the ones that play Eve, LOVE it. I'm in a Japanese corp and these guys are PASSIONATE and DEDICATED players, and a lot of fun to play with.

Khergit Deserters wrote:
Don't know that I'd want to test ship fits 1 v 1 against a Japanese player.


Lol. I wouldn't. Smile
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2017-03-08 23:10:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
March rabbit wrote:
I thought English is pretty common in Japan?

It's being taught in schools, but actually speaking it is a different matter. Even employees in the tourist industry tend to quickly run and hide when somebody steps through the door who looks like a foreigner for fear of having to speak english.

Also, have you heard what the average japanese guy trying to speak english sounds like? It's endearing for sure, but it does not work as a means of communication.

That being said - it was nice having an east-asian community in a western MMOG, but it simply has never been all that big. It's probably not profitable anymore to maintain the japanese client.
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