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BREAKING: Ishukone CEO Derided At CEP Session

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#61 - 2017-03-02 17:17:41 UTC
I'll hold off on my reply, not in the mood to escalate this though I certainly want to. Maybe its just my blood that makes me avoid needlessly diving into wasteful use of my resources like plunging a titan into a planet.
Merchant Rova
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2017-03-02 17:32:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Merchant Rova
Deitra Vess wrote:
Maybe its just my blood that makes me avoid needlessly diving into wasteful use of my resources like plunging a titan into a planet.

I mean, you literally just escalated it, bro.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#63 - 2017-03-02 17:44:24 UTC
Merchant Rova wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Maybe its just my blood that makes me avoid needlessly diving into wasteful use of my resources like plunging a titan into a planet.

I mean, you literally just did escalate it, bro.

I simply used an example of a waste of resources. My time is a resource, much like highly trained officers and multi billion isk ships are resources. Any connections between the example and some alterior motives behind what I said are coincidence.

Blink
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2017-03-02 18:04:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
And any time that you're ready to lose another fleet, we're willing to teach you that the age of forcible reclamation is over.
You are not the Jove Pieter. A Wyvern and a handful of Caracals and Condors are not going to stop Reclimation when it comes.

Hope that Reclimation by the sword is over. But realize it is not as long as the choosen stand and the enemies of god stand against them.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#65 - 2017-03-02 18:10:40 UTC
Stick with drugs kids, because that is your brain on religion.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#66 - 2017-03-02 18:16:35 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Mr. Blades, it's best just to ignore her.

It's actually the best to ignore Makoto Priano.
If you haven't heard yet why: she is a well known slanderer, who have been caught on her lies ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560 ) and instead of fixing her mistakes she just behaved like it was normal and chose to live a life in a disgrace when was confronted.

I would recommend everyone to not pay attention to words of such a liar like Makoto Priano.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#67 - 2017-03-02 18:31:31 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
I do not want the State Reclaimed by the sword Aria. I have no joy at the thought of returning to war. But I know that the State will be the last of the nations to accept the word of god peacefully. And I know too what fate awaits them for their willful blindness to his light.


Perhaps. You don't show a lot of sorrow about it, though. More like salivation.

Let me approach this from a different angle.

To face two deadly opponents, with one friend at your side, in a contest of equals, and then to turn and stab that friend when you think you see an opening before any lasting ground against the others is gained, presuming you can take the other two yourself, is kind of obvious foolishness. Even if you succeed in murdering your friend, it's most likely a deadly mistake.

And it would be murder, for the most part. If you believe you'd add the State's strength to the Empire's, and be even stronger as one than you were as two, you don't know the Caldari very well. Even leaving aside the sting of betrayal, slavery is anathema to the Caldari. They'd fight you to the death. Researchers would destroy their work. Parents would kill their children, then themselves. I'd put good odds on the paladins finding whole cities of dead, where every last soul has taken poison rather than be slaves.

And that's if you won.

Arrogance is about the closest thing to "sin" I really believe in. Whether or not it is a sin against your deity, arrogance is a sin against the world-- a refusal of reality. It's a sin your civilization is maybe a little prone to.

One interpretation of the Reclaiming is that it's a burden placed on your people, not a destiny to be treated as received right: that it's a task that you must perform, but one in which success is not guaranteed at all. It won't surprise you that I like this interpretation. It argues pragmatism.

Maybe I'm just a heathen, making a motivated argument to protect her homeworld from your dreamed-of invasion, but does that make me wrong? Presuming you'll succeed by divine providence has led to some difficulties: Vak'Atioth.

Perhaps your god sees arrogance as sinful, as well.
Jev North
Doomheim
#68 - 2017-03-02 19:15:01 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
A Wyvern and a handful of Caracals and Condors are not going to stop Reclimation when it comes.

I didn't think you could possibly make me smile, and yet here we are. Strange days.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#69 - 2017-03-02 19:21:12 UTC
Jev North wrote:
Ayallah wrote:
A Wyvern and a handful of Caracals and Condors are not going to stop Reclimation when it comes.

I didn't think you could possibly make me smile, and yet here we are. Strange days.


I know right? We held up the Gallente war machine for two centuries and Aya thinks the Golden Fleet will crush the State Navy.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Jev North
Doomheim
#70 - 2017-03-02 19:53:56 UTC
Blap some shield ships and back in time to apply some fresh gilt for the victory parade; that's totally how presenting the most militarized and isolationist empire in the cluster with an existential threat will go. Mmhm.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#71 - 2017-03-02 20:11:38 UTC
Back to the worthwhile topic...

I can certainly understand focusing resources at home, if this threat were only within the State. The fact of the matter is that only a fool would turn down networking efforts on a large scale. The more data, the better a chance a combined effort can succeed. Even a Liberal like myself tends to look after the interests of the Caldari first, but it takes a special sort of blind to not see what's at work here.

Whoever did this doesn't give a damn what divides we want to see, and likely hopes we'll sit and bicker about it just like this.

Kyonoke itself gives far less than a damn who it infects, where, or why. It exists to exist and further itself. End of story.

The moment we forget that we're facing an enemy that is as pure a killer as can be imagined, we will absolutely lose this fight.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Shiran Mazaki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#72 - 2017-03-02 21:18:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Shiran Mazaki
Executive Officer Reppola is correct.

This is a unorthodox situation, all four nations are under threat by an unknown assailant. It only takes one of the quarantines to fail for the situation at home to be rendered ineffective. So to refuse cooperation with competitors is a death sentence.

Diana Kim is right about one thing, we are at war. Just not solely with the Gallente but with whoever deployed this virus.
Ria NieyIi
#73 - 2017-03-02 21:25:48 UTC
I'm not sure what assistance can be rendered. Are Feds unable to properly maintain quarantine? Of course, we could always glass some planets, but people wouldn't like that very much.
Toroko Shiyurida
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#74 - 2017-03-02 22:38:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Toroko Shiyurida
As Pieter stated, there are now two Megacorporations throwing their full weight behind differing tactics to treat a problem. Of course there should be an aspect focusing solely within our borders and in LaiDai we have precisely that, Ishukone has taken the separate approach of networked data driven research and procedure, as Saya pointed out. Both are necessary and effective measures though I lean towards distributed networking as the more effective given approach, however I am ignorant of the fullness of the aspects that the CEO's must contend with, likely the information at hand has led to the choices of all at the CEP session.

Please, continue the discussion. Pointing a finger to blame, however, is much like eating a cat out of starvation when you are plagued by rats.

Assistant Researcher

I-RED GalNet Site

TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#75 - 2017-03-03 00:42:18 UTC
The Federation are a rich nation , with vast resources of their own to deal with the on going crisis within their borders. They dont need our help. I doubt very much if the Federation would want our help. They havent asked for it. Im sure if the question would come up during senate meeting , many members would accuses the people that we send as probably carries of pathogen, that the Caldari cannot be trusted with such serious on going situation within Federation borders . Maybe some would agree to accept resources from Ishukone.

I agree with the decision of the CEP , that Caldari resources should be used for the on going crisis within our borders. If we do have little more knowledge about the pathogen, than the other four nations, well let us share that with our allies.

All four nations seem to be dealing with the on going crisis admirably. All four areas have been quarantined , no further outbreaks have occurred. I know very little about the pathogen , i guess all those within the quarantined zone will not be aloud to leave , and will eventually die. All four nations will look to somehow contain the pathogen within these quarantine zones.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#76 - 2017-03-03 12:21:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Shiran Mazaki wrote:
Executive Officer Reppola is correct.

This is a unorthodox situation, all four nations are under threat by an unknown assailant. It only takes one of the quarantines to fail for the situation at home to be rendered ineffective. So to refuse cooperation with competitors is a death sentence.

Diana Kim is right about one thing, we are at war. Just not solely with the Gallente but with whoever deployed this virus.

I will stand myself on Alakoni Ishanoya side. The Kyonoke agent, however dangerous it could be, haven't claimed more lives than gallente did. Fighting Kyonoke is not an excuse for treason. Let us leave discussion of this blight to other places, since we have enough threads about it. Current situation is the Reppola behavior.

Unfortunately, there's little we can do here, and all we can hope is that CEP will take right course to stand against Reppola.

Meanwhile we should keep doing our part. What we, capsuleers, can do - is to deploy our combat ships and defend the State from Gallente menace. The Kyonoke pockets have been quaranteened and stopped already, but gallente aren't quaranteed yet from further spreading. It's on this problem we all shall work together.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2017-03-03 14:26:19 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Jev North wrote:
Ayallah wrote:
A Wyvern and a handful of Caracals and Condors are not going to stop Reclimation when it comes.

I didn't think you could possibly make me smile, and yet here we are. Strange days.


I know right? We held up the Gallente war machine for two centuries and Aya thinks the Golden Fleet will crush the State Navy.



Under Jamyl and now under Kitty Caitz, you don't have to worry about the Golden Fleet as much as you have to worry about the Golden Tongue. The Amarr have learned the benefits of good PR. Now they say, "Oh slavery? I'm kind of against that. I know it's in the Scriptures, but that's not really what we're all about these days. Would you like some wine?"

Make no mistake. The Empire and those who serve it still see people on the outside as something that needs to be brought to God's service. Be it a slave collar, a fleet, or honeyed words, the Reclamation is a real and present thing. The Empire is still very much a culture built on the backs of slaves and the State, Federation, Republic and CONCORD/The SCoT are all a party to allowing it to continue in the name of intergalactic "peace."

There was a time when the Khanid Kingdom would have stood with the State against the Empire. Nowadays? Not so much. Did you see how the Kingdom was brought back into the fold? Not through force of arms, but through force of economics and promises of protection and "unity." This is how Caldari will fall to the Empire. Not with a bang, but with a transfer of ISK.

A dog leash is a slave collar for those who don't realize they're slaves.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#78 - 2017-03-03 16:06:30 UTC
Sinjin, it might actually be funnier to think the Empire will out-negotiate the State at a contract signing.

Well. I'm a firm believer in the marketplace of ideas and I do have to admit that the Amarr faith has much to offer, but the State is simply not used to dictating to it's Citizens how they have to worship and the State citizenry would fight tooth and nail against anything with the smack of slavery about it.

Right now I believe the Empire gets everything it needs from the current arrangement. The only thing I can see driving the State to the point where it would accept Amarrian overlordship (with all that entails) would be an existential threat that we would find even more distasteful - such as a resurgent Gallente Federation invading and enjoying success.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#79 - 2017-03-03 17:09:11 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Sinjin, it might actually be funnier to think the Empire will out-negotiate the State at a contract signing.

Well. I'm a firm believer in the marketplace of ideas and I do have to admit that the Amarr faith has much to offer, but the State is simply not used to dictating to it's Citizens how they have to worship and the State citizenry would fight tooth and nail against anything with the smack of slavery about it.

Right now I believe the Empire gets everything it needs from the current arrangement. The only thing I can see driving the State to the point where it would accept Amarrian overlordship (with all that entails) would be an existential threat that we would find even more distasteful - such as a resurgent Gallente Federation invading and enjoying success.

I can't imagine how would you "buy" this idea, because for it to work you'll have to sell it to every citizen. Or at least to every important citizen who will back up your infrastructure, and I don't think it is possible.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#80 - 2017-03-03 17:32:30 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Sinjin, it might actually be funnier to think the Empire will out-negotiate the State at a contract signing.

Well. I'm a firm believer in the marketplace of ideas and I do have to admit that the Amarr faith has much to offer, but the State is simply not used to dictating to it's Citizens how they have to worship and the State citizenry would fight tooth and nail against anything with the smack of slavery about it.

Right now I believe the Empire gets everything it needs from the current arrangement. The only thing I can see driving the State to the point where it would accept Amarrian overlordship (with all that entails) would be an existential threat that we would find even more distasteful - such as a resurgent Gallente Federation invading and enjoying success.

I can't imagine how would you "buy" this idea, because for it to work you'll have to sell it to every citizen. Or at least to every important citizen who will back up your infrastructure, and I don't think it is possible.


Indeed. The only case where I could see that happening would be if the only alternative were life under the heel of the Federation. Both are incredibly unlikely - thank the Winds.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.