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The Noctis and it's fall from grace (Touching on comments from CSM 11)
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#61 - 2017-02-24 01:01:34 UTC
Sure, viable is probably more accurate.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#62 - 2017-02-24 08:25:14 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:


They get used quite a bit. They are a lot faster than dessy, so for large high end site running clean ups - folks like them. For salvaging a bunch of gas site wrecks - they get used quite a bit - because of the low number or wrecks their range bonus really shines for those not interested in having their salvage ship blown up.



99% of the time we use MTUs in WHS as well, if you zip up a WH its pretty safe and in many cases we don't bother salvaging anyway (Salvage is so cheap and if you are low on pilots its better isk to just run more sites)

Its a bit riskier (use Meta MTUs so they are hard to scan) but in the case of gas sites you can drop a MTU and scope it at the end of the site and everything will be bunched up by the end other site.
Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#63 - 2017-03-02 08:13:30 UTC
I have to agree with Serendipity, the Noctis is generally in fine shape. A bigger cargo hold would be nice, though.

The cost is inconsequential, I have pulled in Billions with the damn thing. In highsec.
And never lost one yet.

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Thunderdome
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#64 - 2017-03-02 17:40:25 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
In high-sec, if you're not running a Marauder for L4 clears/looting you're just doing it wrong. Outside of high-sec it sounds like the Noctis still has a vital role to play.


What is that supposed to mean? This is very insulting and I do what I want, not what anyone else wants.

And yes, I like the Noctis just fine. I would however take a slight agility increase. 11 seconds aligning is just saying "please gank me now".

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Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#65 - 2017-03-03 00:34:24 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
In high-sec, if you're not running a Marauder for L4 clears/looting you're just doing it wrong. Outside of high-sec it sounds like the Noctis still has a vital role to play.


What is that supposed to mean? This is very insulting and I do what I want, not what anyone else wants.

And yes, I like the Noctis just fine. I would however take a slight agility increase. 11 seconds aligning is just saying "please gank me now".


With 2x I-stabs and a DCU it is about 9s. Battleship speed.
A little agility buff would be nice.

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Commander Turret
Doomheim
#66 - 2017-03-03 02:28:16 UTC
I think you old guys often forget about the new guys.
I can't run level 4's. For me the easiest/quickest way to make isk is to use a noctice. If you wait for 1 mobile tractor you will probably die of boredom as it is not that quick, it definitely helps.
Salvage for new players is gold..
EDIT- You do not make more isk mining btw.
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2017-03-03 13:39:01 UTC
Commander Turret wrote:
I think you old guys often forget about the new guys.
I can't run level 4's. For me the easiest/quickest way to make isk is to use a noctice. If you wait for 1 mobile tractor you will probably die of boredom as it is not that quick, it definitely helps.
Salvage for new players is gold..
EDIT- You do not make more isk mining btw.



I promise you that if you had spent that 90mil on fits for a battleship you'd be a lot closer to your goal right now.
Commander Turret
Doomheim
#68 - 2017-03-03 17:29:14 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Commander Turret wrote:
I think you old guys often forget about the new guys.
I can't run level 4's. For me the easiest/quickest way to make isk is to use a noctice. If you wait for 1 mobile tractor you will probably die of boredom as it is not that quick, it definitely helps.
Salvage for new players is gold..
EDIT- You do not make more isk mining btw.



I promise you that if you had spent that 90mil on fits for a battleship you'd be a lot closer to your goal right now.


You right, a week old character with less than 1 mil SP is ready to fly a BS, how dumb of me. Guess thats why I am called a noob.
In null sec now and salvage after the ratters, do you think I should rather get a BS and run the sites ???
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#69 - 2017-03-03 19:30:35 UTC
Commander Turret wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Commander Turret wrote:
I think you old guys often forget about the new guys.
I can't run level 4's. For me the easiest/quickest way to make isk is to use a noctice. If you wait for 1 mobile tractor you will probably die of boredom as it is not that quick, it definitely helps.
Salvage for new players is gold..
EDIT- You do not make more isk mining btw.



I promise you that if you had spent that 90mil on fits for a battleship you'd be a lot closer to your goal right now.


You right, a week old character with less than 1 mil SP is ready to fly a BS, how dumb of me. Guess thats why I am called a noob.
In null sec now and salvage after the ratters, do you think I should rather get a BS and run the sites ???


No silly, you farm salvage like a mad man and buy a sooper dooper than inject gajillions into the game and die of bordom then.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#70 - 2017-03-07 08:48:50 UTC
Commander Turret wrote:
I think you old guys often forget about the new guys.
I can't run level 4's. For me the easiest/quickest way to make isk is to use a noctice. If you wait for 1 mobile tractor you will probably die of boredom as it is not that quick, it definitely helps.
Salvage for new players is gold..
EDIT- You do not make more isk mining btw.


The who thing with MTUs is that you don't have to wait for them. Just drop 1 in the site and get another mission. Come back and salvage after you have run several missions starting with the first mission and working to the newer ones (time stamped BMs helps), by the time you have finished salvaging the older wrecks the newer ones will have finished tractoring.
Dimitrios Bekas
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#71 - 2017-03-07 16:29:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Dimitrios Bekas
Guys Guys,...the Noctis is still alive !

Pandemic Horde or Brave are know for their PRO PVP Level when it comes to looting
lets say...50Feroxes vs. 30ABGilas
All Feroxes and their Logi die.

The LootingParty starts.

Its so funny seeing all those Tripple Cargohold Catalysts trying to scoop the Loot with 900m/s MWD or warping from one Tactical back to the wrecks to get the stuff out asap.

Now guess who is the King on the Field when it comes to looting ?

Yes, 6x T2 Tractor beam Noctis with 2x T2 Salvagers grabbing all the Elite Wrecks,Advanced Destroyer and of course BCs Wrecks around you.

with 3500m² in the Noctis you ARE THE KING !

Everyone is talking about MTUs and Highsec Missions...
You can´t drop MTUs and deny others the Loot in PH / Brave :D It will be destroyed by everyone and is free to shoot :D

So the Noctis still has its GLORY MOMENTS but of course i agree that it should get some love.

Maybe T2 Salvage Drones only useable in Noctis Drone bay and something like Tractor Sphere BEAMS...you target one Wreck, as soon as the Beam hits the Wreck it Splits and catches all Wrecks around a Radius of 10km in one Swoop and tractors them in all at once in a big Sphere.

This would also be an epic Competition in Nullsec, who grabs the wrecks first and from others :D
It would be funny to see competitive Noctis Pilots trying to grab what they can and pick the best "radius", "Shot" for maximum Lootage ! :D

Tractor SPHERE BEAMS !
Could also be used to grab 10+ Wrecks at a Gate (from Rats and Players) and tractor them into your placed Bubble to decloak ships :D ...ok this is a stupid idea but hey, i would do that, just for fun :D

!!! TRACTOR SPHERE BEAM and T2 Salvage Drones for the NOCTIS !!! CCP PLEASE !!!

!!! or a Stationary - Tractor - Salvage Mode !!!...like the Rorqual. You cant move for 5mins and you get 200% TractorSpeed and Range +200% Targeting Range and all wrecks around 2km of the Noctis get "AutoSalvaged" or the Drones get 200% Salvage Boost.

The Noctis also should be the only TRUE Tractor/Salvage Ship in the Game that is able to grab Drones/Fighters that are left behind after a fight. Or hell, maybe even be able to "salvage" Fighters/Drones !

Believe me, the NEED for such a ship would be huge in nullsec. It also would be a risk/reward thing and generate PVP Content to protect the Noctis after a big Fight against Guerilla Sneaky Ceptors and T3Ds hunting in the Wreck Fields of Death !

+50.000m³ Fighter/Capital Storage to grab all those fancy Capital Modules and Fighters after a Big Fight and feel the adrenaline of getting wrecked by 2 Bombers and lose everything ...thats the Experience i want to have in my ZeroZero NOCTIS !

:D
MoonDragn
ZiTek
#72 - 2017-03-07 20:15:04 UTC  |  Edited by: MoonDragn
Even in high space, I don't understand the reason why a Notus is not helpful. I normally drop a MTU in the beginning of the mission in each gate and just come back and clean up afterwards. I usually finish off the NPCs before half of the wrecks are finished tractoring by the MTU. If I switched out my weapons for salvagers and move towards my MTU, that takes more time than just hopping into the next gate and dropping another MTU.

By the time I finish the different areas my stuff is all tractored and a notus will clean it up faster than my Paladin with salvagers and drones. Its faster for me to dock my paladin and switch to the notus than to have to deal with warping out and back to the site to pick up the different areas. My notus is heck of a lot faster than my paly for these jobs anyway.

In the time it takes for you to drop your Mobile Depot and switch weapons, I'd already have docked the Paly and got the notus back to work those wrecks.
Rhino Sheka Zinbar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2017-03-25 22:45:43 UTC
Speaking as a salvage recovery specialist I am pleased with the Noctis performance. It works well with tractored piles of scrap, and micro managed drones fir yellow spread out wrecks. The only conventional improvement I would ask for is T2 salvage drones... maybe faster cycle time or MWD speed so not to unbalance turret Salvager.
Unconventional ideas I have, but maybe just ask for a high or low slot module or something that might abandon a yellow wreck that is targeted... for loot. Nice long cycle timer or whatever.

Otherwise things balanced fine.
Kathern Aurilen
#74 - 2017-04-02 04:31:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
I love my Noc, it would make fast work of my sites no problem. I'm stuck as alpha with little play time till the miss says I can sub. So I have to settle for a sad lil Atron with double salvage 1s and salvage tackles. I love it but it's no noc.

I'm thinking that I run the sites in my normal ships and carry a few MTUs and go ahead drop them in each room to do their work. When finished running site, dock up and bring out the Noc with straight salvage 2s and clean up in 5 mins flat. And just carry the MTUs home and reload them back into the main ship.

I don't see the problem with the MTUs and a Noc working together

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