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High Sec Ganking - CONCORD Balance request

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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1161 - 2017-03-02 22:46:09 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
OP appears to have given up. He's realised he's lost the argument but he's too proud to admit it, hence he's simply trolling. You can't help but feel a little sorry for the poor tyke.


No... You are just trolling ... ask a serious question that isnt a wall of text and I'd be happy to address it. And relate it to the OP or im not interested.

Why do you feel the change proposed in your OP is necessary? Do note that I'm already aware of your opinion that ganking is too easy. I would like to know how you reach this conclusion. In addition, I'm interested to know how you think that such a change to HiSec criminality would benefit the game, not just the victims.


Since you understand that ganking is too easy. Feel free to tell me how the OP doesnt effectively work and provide an alternative or fix and Im not opposed to editing the OP if your point is valid. I have done this for others such as lowsec pvpers who pod.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1162 - 2017-03-02 22:48:09 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:


Here, I'll ask again:

About how much ISK value in production is there in New Eden each day? And about how much is destroyed?


You believe this production vs destruction of a regioin is important. I do not believe its related to finding an issue on why criminals in highsec can avoid capture by faction police and others (through warp invulnerability) until they are ready to be destroyed (ie after the 20bil Jump Freighter is down).


So, you continue to dodge and weasel.

So, since you don't think production and destruction have anything to do with it you can now STFU about Kusion's trillions of ISK. The ISK value has nothing to do with it.

And HS criminals do not have "warp invulnerability". They are relegated to ships that can enter warp quickly which means there are entire classes of ships a person with a low sec status are more or less barred from using.


again... *popcorn* Im not interested in trolling that topic with you.


So you make a claim and won't discuss it.

Yup, time to lock up this dung heap of a thread. Roll

Perhaps you could try to explain what "warp invulnerability" is? No? Didn't think so. Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1163 - 2017-03-02 22:49:11 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
OP appears to have given up. He's realised he's lost the argument but he's too proud to admit it, hence he's simply trolling. You can't help but feel a little sorry for the poor tyke.


No... You are just trolling ... ask a serious question that isnt a wall of text and I'd be happy to address it. And relate it to the OP or im not interested.

Why do you feel the change proposed in your OP is necessary? Do note that I'm already aware of your opinion that ganking is too easy. I would like to know how you reach this conclusion. In addition, I'm interested to know how you think that such a change to HiSec criminality would benefit the game, not just the victims.


Since you understand that ganking is too easy. Feel free to tell me how the OP doesnt effectively work and provide an alternative or fix and Im not opposed to editing the OP if your point is valid. I have done this for others such as lowsec pvpers who pod.


Liar. He quite clearly asked why you think it is too easy, what lead you to that conclusion. Besides Kusion's trillions in ISK destroyed which you have already admitted is actually irrelevant.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1164 - 2017-03-02 22:51:34 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:


Perhaps you could try to explain what "warp invulnerability" is? No? Didn't think so. Roll


I have extensively explained this in a previous post. Please find it if you dont understand how targeting works.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1165 - 2017-03-02 22:56:49 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:


Liar. He quite clearly asked why you think it is too easy, what lead you to that conclusion. Besides Kusion's trillions in ISK destroyed which you have already admitted is actually irrelevant.


Go back and read the first 40 posts and maybe you will understand. Im sorry you are having sure a hard time understanding. Unless you have something constructive to add, I really dont have time to troll your agenda.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1166 - 2017-03-02 23:05:15 UTC
LOL
OP is out of arguments
Seems like we bled the sheep dry boys Lol
GF

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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1167 - 2017-03-02 23:08:29 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
LOL
OP is out of arguments
Seems like we bled the sheep dry boys Lol
GF


Just not interested in trolling. I've already flagged many of your posts.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1168 - 2017-03-02 23:24:46 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
LOL
OP is out of arguments
Seems like we bled the sheep dry boys Lol
GF


Just not interested in trolling. I've already flagged many of your posts.


For what? All he has been asking for is the mechanics suicide gankers are ignoring. You can't respond to anyone.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1169 - 2017-03-03 00:01:14 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Why do you feel the change proposed in your OP is necessary? Do note that I'm already aware of your opinion that ganking is too easy. I would like to know how you reach this conclusion. In addition, I'm interested to know how you think that such a change to HiSec criminality would benefit the game, not just the victims.


Since you understand that ganking is too easy.

I said I'm aware of your opinion on the matter, not that I agree with your opinion.

Ganking is not too easy. It's roughly on par with most activities within EVE.

Quote:
Feel free to tell me how the OP doesnt effectively work and provide an alternative or fix and Im not opposed to editing the OP if your point is valid. I have done this for others such as lowsec pvpers who pod.

First, we need to establish whether such a fix is even necessary.

Once again I must reiterate: I am aware of your opinion. What I want to know is what has led you to this conclusion. Why is actively seeking a target, scanning its cargo and fit to assess profitability, coordinating with a gank fleet, including scouts, DPS and loot ships considered an easier task than plotting a course and either clicking "Jump" or hitting autopilot and going AFK?

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1170 - 2017-03-03 00:02:03 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:


Perhaps you could try to explain what "warp invulnerability" is? No? Didn't think so. Roll


I have extensively explained this in a previous post. Please find it if you dont understand how targeting works.

Smart bombs are a thing.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#1171 - 2017-03-03 00:11:16 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:

Smart bombs are a thing.


Tell me about it. I was in warp when this happened.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#1172 - 2017-03-03 00:16:32 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:

Smart bombs are a thing.


Tell me about it. I was in warp when this happened.

Why would you fly such a cheap shuttle?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6875494#post6875494 - Ship mounted explosives. Because explosions and Jita chaos.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#1173 - 2017-03-03 00:27:28 UTC
I sense sarcasm but i got it for free :)

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1174 - 2017-03-03 00:31:41 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:


Perhaps you could try to explain what "warp invulnerability" is? No? Didn't think so. Roll


I have extensively explained this in a previous post. Please find it if you dont understand how targeting works.

Smart bombs are a thing.


Not just that, but nobody is guaranteed getting a lock or getting off a shot. That the guy has to use a ship that aligns faster than most ships will lock makes the point...that having a low sec status means you can only use a limited number of ships when moving through HS.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#1175 - 2017-03-03 00:32:07 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:


Perhaps you could try to explain what "warp invulnerability" is? No? Didn't think so. Roll


I have extensively explained this in a previous post. Please find it if you dont understand how targeting works.

Smart bombs are a thing.


Not without going criminal and being wrecked yourself.
Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1176 - 2017-03-03 00:42:10 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:


Perhaps you could try to explain what "warp invulnerability" is? No? Didn't think so. Roll


I have extensively explained this in a previous post. Please find it if you dont understand how targeting works.

Smart bombs are a thing.


Not without going criminal and being wrecked yourself.


Are you sure about that?

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Thunderdome
Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#1177 - 2017-03-03 00:48:36 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
I sense sarcasm but i got it for free :)

It was sarcasm, both because of its ISK value and its durability.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6875494#post6875494 - Ship mounted explosives. Because explosions and Jita chaos.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#1178 - 2017-03-03 00:55:23 UTC
Im one of the people who, if i got an alliance tourny ship, would fly it rather than let it collect dust.

And 20au/s on the leopard is too good not to use.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#1179 - 2017-03-03 01:06:58 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
LOL
OP is out of arguments
Seems like we bled the sheep dry boys Lol
GF


Just not interested in trolling. I've already flagged many of your posts.

I still haven't had my answer lmao
And you expect me to sit here quietly?
Dream on, Miner Lol

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Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#1180 - 2017-03-03 01:10:22 UTC
OP, if you wish to discuss something, it is wise to not call everyone who disagrees with you trolls. Criticism is what improves and refines an idea. Furthermore, if you want people to have any hope of agreeing with your idea, you need to show a clear and present need for it, instead of just an opinion. Believing that criminals need to be punished more harshly is fine, but unless you can show why that would be better for the game, people aren't likely to agree with you.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!