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Jack Bickle
#1 - 2017-03-01 22:28:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Bickle
Here's something I don't get.

MCT will cost me the price of a PLEX, or 20 euros where I'm from.

A monthly sub is 15 euros. Less if I'll get 3, 6 or 12 months.

A month not paying a sub and I can play it as an alpha clone. Slower training, limited, BUT playable to some extend AND still training.

Explain then, why would I pay 20 euros to train a second character that I can't play simultaneously with my main, and won't train if I don't pay?
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#2 - 2017-03-01 23:10:39 UTC
The only reason is if you want to train up a second character slot for a specific purpose. For example, if you want to run PI with each of your three character slots, train PI skills on slots #2 and 3, then stop training. Then you can use PI on three characters while only having one active queue. Also, industry, research, etc. Use a second slot to train up industry and research skills, then at a point you don't need that character to have a queue.

One more example, I have one character that's a dedicated scout. It has max scanning skills and can fly a covert ops cloak. I haven't trained a skill on it in years. I use that character to scout deep into hostile null and WHs and just log in every once in a while to keep an eye on certain targets. After I got decent scanning skills on it, there isn't a need for it to have an active queue.
Jack Bickle
#3 - 2017-03-01 23:13:32 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
The only reason is if you want to train up a second character slot for a specific purpose. For example, if you want to run PI with each of your three character slots, train PI skills on slots #2 and 3, then stop training. Then you can use PI on three characters while only having one active queue. Also, industry, research, etc. Use a second slot to train up industry and research skills, then at a point you don't need that character to have a queue.

One more example, I have one character that's a dedicated scout. It has max scanning skills and can fly a covert ops cloak. I haven't trained a skill on it in years. I use that character to scout deep into hostile null and WHs and just log in every once in a while to keep an eye on certain targets. After I got decent scanning skills on it, there isn't a need for it to have an active queue.


Thanks for your reply.

So I take it that as an alpha clone, you can't do the things you mention, even if you've fully trained it? Or scout with a ship you own and are fully trained for?
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#4 - 2017-03-01 23:13:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Do Little
I have ALTS on each account. They do PI, research and manufacturing in the background. They login every couple of days to submit industry jobs and update their PI. They undock once a week to harvest the PI. It took a couple of months to train them to the point where they were earning enough to PLEX their own multiple character training but they are now fully trained and earn more than enough ISK each month to PLEX the accounts and finance my gameplay.

Edit: Alpha accounts are restricted to a single login and have very limited industrial skills available to them. Much better to train Omega as second or third character on your account as long as you don't need to fly both at the same time.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#5 - 2017-03-01 23:26:04 UTC
Jack Bickle wrote:
Thanks for your reply.

So I take it that as an alpha clone, you can't do the things you mention, even if you've fully trained it? Or scout with a ship you own and are fully trained for?


I honestly don't know much about alpha clones, so I can't talk about it intelligently.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#6 - 2017-03-02 06:02:20 UTC
Jack Bickle wrote:
Here's something I don't get.

MCT will cost me the price of a PLEX, or 20 euros where I'm from.

A monthly sub is 15 euros. Less if I'll get 3, 6 or 12 months.

A month not paying a sub and I can play it as an alpha clone. Slower training, limited, BUT playable to some extend AND still training.

Explain then, why would I pay 20 euros to train a second character that I can't play simultaneously with my main, and won't train if I don't pay?


lots of reason, Jita alt, PI, invention, manufacturing, etc...

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Jack Bickle
#7 - 2017-03-02 08:24:37 UTC
Do Little wrote:
I have ALTS on each account. They do PI, research and manufacturing in the background. They login every couple of days to submit industry jobs and update their PI. They undock once a week to harvest the PI. It took a couple of months to train them to the point where they were earning enough to PLEX their own multiple character training but they are now fully trained and earn more than enough ISK each month to PLEX the accounts and finance my gameplay.

Edit: Alpha accounts are restricted to a single login and have very limited industrial skills available to them. Much better to train Omega as second or third character on your account as long as you don't need to fly both at the same time.


Same reply as to other person, you can do all that on a second and third account. Especially if they earn their own plex, you can play them simultaneously.

I really don't see the point to get MCT while you can get more for less with a second and third account.
YeuxVerts Belle
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2017-03-02 08:37:43 UTC
Jack Bickle wrote:
Same reply as to other person, you can do all that on a second and third account. Especially if they earn their own plex, you can play them simultaneously.

I really don't see the point to get MCT while you can get more for less with a second and third account.


There are activities that can be done in the background, that is, can be done by logging in a few minutes every day. Manufacturing, invention, PI, can do all of there tasks with minimal input and lots of waiting.
Scouting is also a case where you usually don't need it often, so you don't log them on much.

Yes, it is true, you can get the same possibilities with a second account rather than a same account alt, but you do pay 1B isk/month, or 15$/€ / month for it. In the case of those characters, the main benefit of the second account is the ability to log two characters at once, and that's something you don't need for a manufacturing or PI alt. Might as well keep that money.

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Taurean Eltanin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2017-03-02 08:55:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Taurean Eltanin
Alpha/Omega status affects all characters on an account. So if I train up two PI alts, for example, I can pay for one account, but benefit from three Omega clones, generating a nice PI income.

If I were to put those characters on separate accounts, I would need to pay continuously for those accounts as I would lose access to the PI skills if those accounts revert to Alpha status.

So if I want to train certain specific skills on a character, and then not train that character any further, it makes sense to train them on the same account as my main, so that (once training is complete) there are no additional costs for using that character, because I would be paying for Omega status on my main account anyway.

In other words, training on a separate account is cheaper (especially if you use a buddy invite to create the account), but you are committed to paying for the account in the long term. MCT is more expensive at first, but once you have finished training the skills you want, that character is essentially free.

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Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#10 - 2017-03-02 09:01:00 UTC
ALTS allow you to have 3 characters for 1 subscription fee. The income earned by the second and third characters is all yours once their training is complete. While only 1 character can train at a time, you can choose which character. There is no need to pay for multiple character training unless you are in a hurry.

With separate accounts, you need to pay the subscription fee for each. If the characters are fully trained this is a waste of money. Note that you cannot use Alpha characters for this. They do not have access to the skills needed for passive income generation.
Salvos Rhoska
#11 - 2017-03-02 09:47:34 UTC
Nothing wrong with asking questions.

But this is a case where if you applied your brain a bit, the answers should be self-evident and the data to inform that is widely and easily available.

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Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#12 - 2017-03-02 10:25:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregorius Goldstein
Fastest and most expensive way to get an alt trained: Just buy it from the bazar.

Slowest and cheapest way to get an alt trained: Invite an new alpha account, train it to 5 million SP for free, sub the new account for one year with the "new player" offer (this will get you a PLEX on your main too), when the year is over use the "invite a freind" plex to transfer the alt to your main account. Gets you a 25+ million SP alt for 99,99 €.
Gerinomo Tsuruomo
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2017-03-02 17:08:53 UTC
To expand on some of the other responses.

An alpha account does not work as a PI alt because they cannot do PI.

An alpha account is a substandard scout because they cannot learn cloaking.

So for certain purposes it can make more sense to multi train than to have a second alpha account.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2017-03-02 17:20:02 UTC
Jack Bickle wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
The only reason is if you want to train up a second character slot for a specific purpose. For example, if you want to run PI with each of your three character slots, train PI skills on slots #2 and 3, then stop training. Then you can use PI on three characters while only having one active queue. Also, industry, research, etc. Use a second slot to train up industry and research skills, then at a point you don't need that character to have a queue.

One more example, I have one character that's a dedicated scout. It has max scanning skills and can fly a covert ops cloak. I haven't trained a skill on it in years. I use that character to scout deep into hostile null and WHs and just log in every once in a while to keep an eye on certain targets. After I got decent scanning skills on it, there isn't a need for it to have an active queue.


Thanks for your reply.

So I take it that as an alpha clone, you can't do the things you mention, even if you've fully trained it? Or scout with a ship you own and are fully trained for?

Alpha clone has very limited skillset and items he can use. Scouting with Alpha is inconvenient because of CovertOps Cloaking device (they cannot use it).

Yes, getting skills and items while Omega and then dropping to Alpha you only have access to Alpha skillset and itemset.

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#15 - 2017-03-02 18:15:33 UTC
The one thing others havent said is that unless you find a way to pay for it, cash or in game isk, that often circumstances will change and you will have to continue to pay for another account to use it properly, and though you can just let it drop down to alpha and still be viable its a far cry from a full account.

So make sure you want the new account and have a plan to use it even if life throws you a curve financially. As often you can get sick of ugh making plex for accounts and it can lead to early game burn out trying.

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Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#16 - 2017-03-02 18:46:46 UTC
Jack Bickle wrote:
Why would I pay 20 euros to train a second character that I can't play simultaneously with my main, and won't train if I don't pay?
You wouldn't unless the new char only needs 2-3 months of training and doesn't need to be logged in at the same time as the main. If it needs longer training then you could always transfer it to your main account after it's trained.
Scialt
Corporate Navy Police Force
#17 - 2017-03-02 18:49:36 UTC
I have two accounts... but I jumped an added time on both recently when there was a deal for MCT.

I have a main on each account (one primary, one supporting). The MCT allows me to max out PI on the 4 alts I have, get trade skills up for station trading alts (I long in once a day or so to update orders), and train some hauling skills.

I still primarily play with the two main accounts. But those alts generate income for me passively (while not logged in). But in order to do that some skills are needed.
Stormin
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2017-03-02 19:44:35 UTC
Jack Bickle wrote:
Here's something I don't get.

MCT will cost me the price of a PLEX, or 20 euros where I'm from.

A monthly sub is 15 euros. Less if I'll get 3, 6 or 12 months.

A month not paying a sub and I can play it as an alpha clone. Slower training, limited, BUT playable to some extend AND still training.

Explain then, why would I pay 20 euros to train a second character that I can't play simultaneously with my main, and won't train if I don't pay?


The main reason is you can effectively bundle Omega status.

If you have 3 accounts and you would like them to all remain Omega that's 3 subs, if you have 3 characters on 1 account thats only 1 sub to keep them omega.

There's an investment to train them, but once trained you don't need to keep MCT active.
ApexDynamo
Neurosurgical Reconstruction Centre
#19 - 2017-03-02 19:50:36 UTC
be kinda nice if alpha clones could train for PI then i could have 120 planets between all my subbed chars and about 4 on my alpha toons :D
Salvos Rhoska
#20 - 2017-03-02 19:54:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
ApexDynamo wrote:
be kinda nice if alpha clones could train for PI then i could have 120 planets between all my subbed chars and about 4 on my alpha toons :D


If Alphas could train PI, you could have unlimited Alpha alts doing PI.

You arent understanding the system.

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