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War Mechanics

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Keeley Ellis
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-01-20 16:57:36 UTC
Outz Xacto wrote:
Quote:
I agree in principle, that CONCORD should refund a proportional amount of the war costs relevant to the amount of time remaining in the event of a surrender.


That's like paying a cop to look the other direction while you wait to beat someone up, then when they dont show up you ask the cop for your money back... you REALLY think he's gonna give two ***** about how you didn't get your chance to beat the guy up cause of a no show?



Um, no.

No it's not. At all. When you declare war, you have paid for legalised hostilities for a specified duration. If that duration is cut short, there should be some kind of recompense. That's how it is without using some dumb analogy, but if you want one I can deliver: It's like going to the jetwash and paying for 5 minutes to clean your car but then the water shuts off after 1 minute because of the water company, the jetwash owner wont give you your money back or credit for a free wash.
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#22 - 2012-01-20 18:04:46 UTC
The mechanics are broke in so many ways, that whining about one (and wanting it fixed) are kind of pointless. The dec shield is no more an abuse then the 1-man corp decs and hop in/hop out WTs. Hell, we keep an alt corp 'active' so we can have an alt jump to it when we do not feel like fighting. You are free to dec it, as well, but you have to pay again. We haven't needed to, but we could always set up a third corp or just jump out to npc corps for a while. Avoiding war is easy (just as easy as declaring war) and the dec shield for now is just one of the routes.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#23 - 2012-01-20 18:28:46 UTC
well, CCP's summer theme is 'war', lets wait a bit and see what they come up with. I hope its a larger revamp of the wardec system.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
#24 - 2012-01-20 19:37:07 UTC
Keeley Ellis wrote:
Outz Xacto wrote:
Quote:
I agree in principle, that CONCORD should refund a proportional amount of the war costs relevant to the amount of time remaining in the event of a surrender.


That's like paying a cop to look the other direction while you wait to beat someone up, then when they dont show up you ask the cop for your money back... you REALLY think he's gonna give two ***** about how you didn't get your chance to beat the guy up cause of a no show?



Um, no.

No it's not. At all. When you declare war, you have paid for legalised hostilities for a specified duration. If that duration is cut short, there should be some kind of recompense. That's how it is without using some dumb analogy, but if you want one I can deliver: It's like going to the jetwash and paying for 5 minutes to clean your car but then the water shuts off after 1 minute because of the water company, the jetwash owner wont give you your money back or credit for a free wash.



You're horrible at analogies considering CONCORD supercedes corporations in hierarchy, and the water company supercedes the car wash, so according to your analogy you're saying CONCORD cut your war dec short, rather than the corporations actions. So yes you lived up to your words of providing a dumb analogy Lol, but also proved that you dont posses the skills necessary to analyze my earlier analogy by your display of stupidity. Blink

Also
you have paid for legalised hostilities for a specified duration.
I'll concede that it may be considered legal per the description ingame, fact of the matter is however, you're still blackmailing an entity to look the other direction or make an exception to the rules for a period of time.Blink
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-01-20 19:43:58 UTC
Arguing over NPC corporation politics to explain a game design decision by CCP. This is better than nullsec drama.

:popcorn:
Keeley Ellis
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-01-20 20:02:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Keeley Ellis
Outz Xacto wrote:

Also
you have paid for legalised hostilities for a specified duration.
I'll concede that it may be considered legal per the description ingame, fact of the matter is however, you're still blackmailing an entity to look the other direction or make an exception to the rules for a period of time.Blink


No, that's not actually a fact and it certainly isn't what Blackmail is. I'd look it up before you accuse others of stupidity. I'd say you missed the point of my over-trivialised analogy also which I suppose I could attribute to your under-developed frontal lobes, if we are going to make personal snipes?

Furthermore, the whole basis of your argument rests on a declaration of war being a one sided affair that is not, in fact a legal service provided at a specific expense.
Yuller
Slow Chidlren at Play
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#27 - 2012-01-20 22:26:46 UTC
Your statement makes it sound like you're afraid of low sec and null sec.

Well my friends i have been -10 4 times....Lived in nul-sec also....Been both places m8 and blob warfare in nul-sec is not my taste...Had a blast pirating the 4 times i've been -10 but it got old dodging 40 man faction war fleets....The point here is how easy it is to save a hi sec tower or just avoid a war altogether..If players don't want to be bothered by a war stay in a npc corp....It's that damn simple....If hi-sec wars were not to be a part of this game then some one sure screwed up by giving me the button...The entire point is how easy it is with no repercussions to the corp thats surrendering from a war dec...The only fix i'd like to see that..
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#28 - 2012-01-20 22:33:59 UTC
If you want to make it impossible for someone to leave a wardecced corp, then a deccer or deccee should also not be allowed to gain new members for the duration. No one in, no one out.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"

Yuller
Slow Chidlren at Play
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#29 - 2012-01-20 22:40:03 UTC
For the love of baby jesus will you tards read the original post before opening your mouths
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#30 - 2012-01-20 23:21:39 UTC
Yuller wrote:
For the love of baby jesus will you tards read the original post before opening your mouths


1) Because insulting someone is a surefire way to make someone more likely to read what you've posted.

2) If you really want people to read it, better formatting (paragraphs and such) would make it a lot easier.

3) I did read it, and don't agree with you; shocker, someone disagrees with your point. This is EVE, you really should be used to that by now.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"

Yuller
Slow Chidlren at Play
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#31 - 2012-01-21 00:06:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuller
Sorry tard but if you read the post then find the part where i complain about people jumping corps...

Oh and that mail you got in game....Because i can
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#32 - 2012-01-21 01:13:40 UTC
Yuller wrote:
Sorry tard but if you read the post then find the part where i complain about people jumping corps...

Oh and that mail you got in game....Because i can


Well, you're free to come find us. Have at it.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"

The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#33 - 2012-01-21 08:41:21 UTC  |  Edited by: The Zerg Overmind
Angel Violette wrote:
I still do not understand how alliance hopping to get rid of a wardec is not an exploit .
The war should follow the corporation where ever it goes .
Was this the intended game mechanic ? anytime there's a war you can't handle run to Dec-Shield ..

Dec Shield should be consider a blatant exploit and abuse of game mechanics. What we do obviously breaks the original intent of wardec mechanics, and CCP should stop it. We agree with all the complaints in this thread against us. We do what we do explicitly to encourage threads like this, to raise awareness over how broken the system is. The best way to anger people over the issues, is to get them angry.

We have dared CCP to declare this an illegal exploit again, and they refuse. We're only keeping up community pressure so we can try to get a change in game mechanics to make this impossible. You will all be my victims until these changes are made.

The exploit

edit: wow I had some hard engrish in there from two sentences I rewrote halfway through
Brorr Liason
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#34 - 2012-01-21 14:18:02 UTC
I guess the only thing to hope for is that your targets won't sully their 'names' by adding Dec Shield to their history, that way when/if it ever gets reversed and declared illegal we'll all know who used them and re-dec. Lol


Not that many corps probably care about their name and only care to protect their ISK/assets...
Angel Violette
The Filthy Few
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#35 - 2012-01-21 17:27:37 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
Angel Violette wrote:
I still do not understand how alliance hopping to get rid of a wardec is not an exploit .
The war should follow the corporation where ever it goes .
Was this the intended game mechanic ? anytime there's a war you can't handle run to Dec-Shield ..

Dec Shield should be consider a blatant exploit and abuse of game mechanics. What we do obviously breaks the original intent of wardec mechanics, and CCP should stop it. We agree with all the complaints in this thread against us. We do what we do explicitly to encourage threads like this, to raise awareness over how broken the system is. The best way to anger people over the issues, is to get them angry.

We have dared CCP to declare this an illegal exploit again, and they refuse. Only be keeping up community pressure can we try to get a change in game mechanics to make this impossible. You will all be my victims until these changes are made.

The exploit





I want to thank you for bringing light to this Issue , I must admit I never really got involved in any EVE issues till Dec-Shield was started .

I'm the hand up Mona Lisa's skirt. I'm a surprise, They don't see me coming: that's what you're missing.

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#36 - 2012-01-21 18:33:02 UTC
Yuller, as much as I love you and the other chill bros at POD (except crow) you guys make some terrible posts.
Angel Violette
The Filthy Few
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#37 - 2012-01-21 19:09:59 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Yuller, as much as I love you and the other chill bros at POD (except crow) you guys make some terrible posts.




Yup! we no good at forum posting :(

I'm the hand up Mona Lisa's skirt. I'm a surprise, They don't see me coming: that's what you're missing.

Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
#38 - 2012-01-21 20:19:36 UTC
As you've no doubt deduced by this point, no one realy cares.

Why ?

Because War Deck's have very little if anything to do with war. Grief Deck would in the great and grand majority of circumstances be the more accurate term to use. So excuse me if I can't be arsed to feel sorry for you wasting 300 mil ( more likely 10 ) to shoot some noobs hauler or barge.

Until CCP gets some inspired idea on how to balance or reduce the stupid amount of greifing associated with decks dont expect much to change.

In the meantime grow a pair and go to low sec. I can't ever remember seeing a 40 man blob of fw. Not that they would be hard to avoid with even semi decent scouting. Try flying something that isn't a win button ( cough Dram ) and maybe you'll get some quality action.

And remember. If the Deck mechanic is broken , it's probably because people exactly like you abused it . Sucks to be you carebear. Cya in low sec
Brorr Liason
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#39 - 2012-01-21 20:34:51 UTC
Havegun Willtravel wrote:
As you've no doubt deduced by this point, no one realy cares.

Why ?

Because War Deck's have very little if anything to do with war. Grief Deck would in the great and grand majority of circumstances be the more accurate term to use. So excuse me if I can't be arsed to feel sorry for you wasting 300 mil ( more likely 10 ) to shoot some noobs hauler or barge.

Until CCP gets some inspired idea on how to balance or reduce the stupid amount of greifing associated with decks dont expect much to change.

In the meantime grow a pair and go to low sec. I can't ever remember seeing a 40 man blob of fw. Not that they would be hard to avoid with even semi decent scouting. Try flying something that isn't a win button ( cough Dram ) and maybe you'll get some quality action.

And remember. If the Deck mechanic is broken , it's probably because people exactly like you abused it . Sucks to be you carebear. Cya in low sec



I hear lowsec is the place to be. Every time we pass through it there's tons of people having a blast with all the awesome pvp that takes place there.
Yuller
Slow Chidlren at Play
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#40 - 2012-01-21 20:54:50 UTC
i love the grow a pair and go to low sec comments.....fact of the matter is i probly got 2 times the kills you got m8 and i would say 80% of those are from former pirate days...the entire post is about how easy it is to avoid a war dec...quit trying to read into something that is not there...
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