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I could be wrong, but I'm not sure the cost of a fit rorqual and mining drones justifies having it over a couple of barges after this nerf.

If CCP reduced the cost of the setup, then, yeah, sure. But until we have a non-faction option for capital mining drones (T1 and T2), I don't see how it's really going to make ISK-sense post-patch to have more than one in a belt.

I think it has to do with overall wealth level. I'm freakin space rich (Not Aryth rich, but I can make Isk easily enough) and for me the Rorq represents the best balance of effort/time/investment currently available due to the minimal attention it requires.

On the other hand if it represented the majority of my assets and the only way I could make enough Isk to buy a replacement... then yeah a couple barges would be a smarter option. A lot smarter.

Are these strips types that popular?

Currently in Jita the price tag for a ORE strip miners is around 206 mil isk. (pretty much the cost of an exhumer hull, give or take). Whilst in terms of yield, Modulated Strip Miner II will cost just 4mil, plus tech2 crystal (for a pittance) will have a yield of 787.5 (iirc) vs the base ORE strip at 700m³/3min. I have made use of the range gains of the Covetor/Hulk in a specific set of circumstances. So I have some appreciation for longer reach. But as a preference, the range of the ORE units does not provide incentive to switch when compared to pure yield gains.

I would bet this is artificial deflation again. The Excavation market has already had numerous hits to it. If they want to nerf the output, they need to make them cheaper to build. Even at 1.2, that's still 9 billion in assets doing 100MM per hour. Not a good balance.



Yes, I knew it was model size. When you have Spod rocks with that much ore in them, and based on the size of the ore, they should look like Veld.

As for the distance, it's easy to move Hulks around in the fleet. The Rorq has such high range on boosting (107km with WC 4), I never worry about our fleet. I can get drones out to them no issues, so while it's nice to move less: I don't find it a worthwhile trade.

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Now, to reiterate, it's NOT making sense to cut the yields in half after already dropping them by 25% from initial. Historically, I have seen CCP nerf a lot and buff very infrequently. This means that the changes you make are not going to get any better in coming months/years. I believe such a huge slash is going to go very, very poorly.

a) No point in Excavators at all. Risk will far outweigh rewards. At least tune up drone damage another 50% so defending vs. small gang is much more likely.

b) Yes, the prices are going down on minerals. They're back to the point they were at around 2013. That's not a bad thing. It puts more buildables in reach of the newer players and high-sec soloists. They're the ones you want to encourage out further. Beating the Rorqual up is going to negatively affect market again in the opposite direction, diluting the value of ISK.

c) If this is the determined route of CCP devs, at least modify the Excavator prints to include far less of the rogue drone parts to at least avoid the market manipulation already going on. If I'm only pushing a bill out the drone holds, then it's much more likely that I'll use it vs. shoving out 6 bil and praying.

I'd rather go back to 300MM/hr, but I don't want to see this ship completely killed of it's usefulness. Boosting is great for the fleet, but hulks/skiffs do not protect a capital well.

4 years ago.... it is 2017 did you notice?
For your comparison PLEX were 350? back then? now it is 1100? Do not pick on things you want to see and pass everything else.

Also how do putting wealth and favoring so much, few alliances in nullsec, help new players? It does not, it actually is against new players, no matter how much you try, 300mil/hours in your pocket, is 3mil/hour less in pocket of hundred new players! Stop being blind egoist.

90% of the price of Excavators is player farmed raw materials. These materials had very little value prior to Excavators and the only thing driving their value right now is demand for Excavators. If the demand for Excavators goes down the price will follow, econ 101 in action. We're already seeing this, the price of these drones has been falling more or less since release, and these nerfs will only drop it further as people get out of Rorqual mining and sell off their ships and drones.



You seem to be somewhat miss informed here. This is a 25% drop in yield (they're cutting the current yield per cycle in half, but cutting the cycle time by 1/3rd, so the total nerf is 25% base yield plus the hard to factor effect of increased travel time.

Also, again, this only holds at current Excavator prices. The price will drop as demand drops, which will happen when all the fair-weather Rorquals go back to Carriers and Supers.

Yes, mineral prices falling *is* a bad thing, because the main reason the price has gone up is due to inflation. This means that for anyone mining not in a Rorqual the buying power they generate per hour is *much* lower than before the market got flooded. Since a huge majority of items outside of ship hulls aren't tied directly to mineral prices miners are nothing but hurt by a crash in mineral prices.

There's also no market manipulation going on, the price of the Excavators is only a little over the cost of parts, and the cost of parts is largely being set by supply and demand at this point.



If I had 5mil for every time I've seen someone predict that Eve would be dead in six months I could PLEX my account for the next decade.

After these changes the Rorqual absolutely maintains its title as the greatest mining vessel in the history of New Eden. Nothing else comes close to its mining ability (not to mention all the other things it does).

By that logic nerf all ships to make capitals barely 2x subcap dps and super capitals 2.5x tops. Cut dreads dps, carriers, Titans, and supers by 55%. They'd still be "the best" by this deranged logic of "balance"

Then use the "see nothing still comes close!!!!111!!" Argument... And watch the reaction.

See now why people disagree with you? It's basic logic. It really is.


I know you really really really don't want to acknowledge this. But you know it's true.

WTS rorqual

That is exactlly what jizzah is saying this thread is getting less rage because people dont care , and that is a bad thing mate not good .And i dindt read a good reason from the devs telling us why the mineral crash would be a bad thing , i mean isnt the market self regulated like the drone prices are ?Maybe i'am being dense here but if people out mine the rourquals eventually will make less cash ...







Fozzie stating the obvious.