Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It would be broken because AFK cloaking is the only counter we have to local.

How childish, you "fixed" my post because you simply don't agree with it. I guess we must be in a school yard playground, and we are a bunch of children throwing insults at each other.

Does that make you feel better about yourself to change a post simply because you can't stand the truth? Clearly these two years, and four hundred plus pages of argument and very little change to your precieved "AFK Cloaking problem." is an amazing testimony to your amazing ability to hold a reasonable and opinion swaying discussion. Instead of being childish and "editing" people post, why don't you instead do my challenge, I bet you will have far better results instead of the current drivel that you are doing, just incase you need a refresher, here a quote of it.

As has been pointed out already with perfectly sane and logical proof: No local, no afk cloaker problem.

Go back to highsec, because I'm really tempted to create afk cloaky alts specifically for you and you alone. I'll leave everyone else alone and only hotdrop on you every god damn time I get the chance and I'll continue doing so until you won't deliver any more tears and quit.
Can't take that much effort seeing how upset you are about something that takes very little effort to do something against.

Aha :)
If you see a threat I have a great solution! Gonna rip your eyes off;

Please, educate us.

You are acting like a dumb or just a pure idiot?
If you see no difference between nullsec, wh, lowsec and high-sec like I said before - u have to be trolling, being an idiot or just have no experience in game other than being an afk cloaker; Dumbass;

Instead of calling us dumb, please educate us. Step above the dumbasses, and be the better man. Explain why you think what you do.

The problem is, is that I'm already educated on the subject through a number of hard lessons. While you may continue to spout drivel as there no real way I can actually stop you from doing that, the only thing you accomplish is by making yourself look childish.

After my five or so years of playing this game off an on, on many different characters I believe I have a firm enough grasp on eve to correct your statement. Eve online is not about educating yourself, it about working in a community, be it a corp, or an allance to accomplish some sort of goal you give yourself. (Often why it said if you just bumble around, you will find yourself bored in eve very quickly as you have to make your own fun.) One of the rules of working in a community, if you want to see it grow, is that you pass along knowledge to another member of the community, so let me educate you.

Local and Cloaking are in near perfect balance, local reports you are in system regardless what you do, while cloaking in turns hides you from being found, with a trade off that you can't interact with anything. These systems are balanced, perfectly. To change one side will result in a massive power shift from one side or the other.

In essences, you HAVE to change both sides, this is a fact, there is no way around it.

An you are right, there are many differences between Low, Null, and High sec, and wormhole, however these differences are not tied into local, however because of these differences it creates different mindsets on how to use local intel, an because of how the mindset of local intel use differs slightly from section of space to section of space, the psychological effect also differs slightly from system to system.

Instead a total overhaul of both systems is needed to resolve this effect, which was my challenge to come up with three to five intel tools that can replace local without doing local's job, and three to five deception tools that can replace cloaking, without doing cloak's job.

An please, don't call me a dumbass when you seem to lack the ability to spell "you."

And there is where the fun ends.

Getting hunted as a vendetta can be fun... except that you are talking about doing it with a cloak and hotdrops, which in fact has no counter except to stop playing. Even with a fleet available at all times you would still get him, you won't risk anything you care about, and there is no way to strike at you until you begin your own attack.


Local and Cloaking are not in perfect balance. They are largely unrelated except for a falsly conflated argument devised by the Pro-afk crowd to justify the poor mechanics in play. You obviously do not have to change both local and cloaking at the same time, as wormholes exist and apparently a few dozen people seem to like them- though other factors were changed to ameliorate the issue, since you can't cyno in a fleet inside a hole. This of course highlights the fact that the issue is much greater than simply local.

In fact, other than wormholes local works everywhere in the exact same fashion as null, yet somehow hunting goes on every day in low and high sec without benefit of afk camping. Your clue should be there. I have pointed out before that you could achieve the same effect by crashing gates and evading capture actively for a long period of time with the difference being defenders can actually defend, attackers have to remain active, and everyone can have fun.

Pro-afk crowd....so like afk miners afk pi guys? Cloak an local perfectly hard counter each other. Local forever reports everyone in that system. Cloak counters by making you impossible to find.... Perfect balance


I however didn't say it a fun system, on the other hand you can't argue that it not balanced.