Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This would only ever happen if you refused to manage your security status properly. I did edit the OP to address your lowsec concerns though.

The entire point of being an outlaw is that you don't follow the laws. In turn, you forfeit CONCORD protection and are pursued by the faction police. Being effectively locked out by gates that instantly scram and web you while the faction police warps in to finish you off is stupid. You want justice, go get it yourself. Find some ganker staging system, probe down their instaundock, and drop some instalockers or smartbombing battleships there and get some justice against the "invincible" gankers.

Ganking isn't free ISK either. It merely capitalizes on the extreme risk that someone takes when they fit triple cargo expanders and fills their hold with PLEX while autopiloting through Uedama. If everyone got a clue and stopped doing dumb things with freighters, gankers would probably find themselves harder up for cash.

Im just playing by the mechanics of EVE ... Highsec means keep the damn criminals from taking over. Thats why they live in lowsec as criminals. You shouldnt just get to stroll up into highsec whenever you need something (Especially with player owned citadels now) because its convinent for your agenda. If you happen to have a reason for frequently needing to visit highsec, then the solution is simlpe and stated in the OP. Say your sorry (tags and mission running) so that you stay out of phase two aggression and then you can come into highsec all day long exactly similar to how it works now.

I know you dont like that the OP proposes that you cant tote that -10.0 status in lowsec and then bring it into highsec but thats what the OP proposes.

I mean really... how hard is it to run an alt for highsec agendas, materials, and supplies ... then you get to keep that shiny -10.0 status and everything. This is why EVE allows three characters per account, so that people are not locked down to one specific style of play.

Like I said... I sure CCP would address these issues and the hits lowsec pilots take to their security status if implementing a version of this OP. The issue is not with lowsec pirates, but out of control ganking teams in Jita who get to avoid any effort in repairing their criminal actions. Given that, lowsec pirates are still criminal so Im sure that something like this would still affect you to a certain extent. If you want to be a criminal... you just need to own it and be a badass.

No. No it doesn't.

High-sec is simply a place where things are meant to be REALATIVELY safer than in low-sec... which is RELATIVELY safe than 0.0 space.

And to make thing RELATIVELY safer in high-sec, a cost is exacted for aggression: either you pay CONCORD for a war declaration or you pay with your ship in the form of a gank.

At NO POINT does the game protect you.
That job falls squarely on the shoulders on the player.



But all that is moot point.

You argument hinges on the belief that regardless of whatever amount of time, effort, and resources go into setting up a gank... it costs too little.

Unfortunately for you.... all of that is relevant and cannot be dismissed.
Otherwise, you are dismissing pretty much anything and everything a logistical wing does for an player alliance and saying that the only thing that matters are the battles themselves.

Further... you dodged this really simple question:

Why should a a gankee not have to put in the same amount of logistical time and effort into avoiding a gank as the gankers have to do to set up the possibility of a gank?

No... morality and ethical (in-game or RL) arguments are not usable. Give a gameplay reasons why a lack of effort and diligence from one person should trump the efforts of many.

Please show me where any corp runs a day-in / day-out gank squad in low or null sec. I assure you that on an average day, those jita gankers are wrecking boat loads of more isk without resistance than all of lowsec faction warfare. Sure you can get a major cap battle from time to time that dumps a tons of isk in lowsec but its not frequent enough to compare to all the freighter / Jump-Freighter losses. Highsec is getting absoutely raped by these gank teams...

again Kusion alone 10 trillion vs 31bil ... KarmaFleet: 5 trillion vs 12billion ... check for yourself on zkill.

We have already discussed this in previous posts but you just love hanging on to this idea for some reason. Criminals lose their privledges, not law-abiding pilots. Plus, I highly doubt CCP wants to keep more people from moving into low and null sec. If anything they want more people to operate in those security spaces. Fortunately, the OP pushes people who want to protect their security status to nullsec so that they wouldnt have to do any repairing of their security status to come back into highsec.

If you would like to generate a separate forum post to address your issue of keeping non-criminals out of low and null sec than by all means do so. This does not change what is proposed in the OP. The "only criminals..." comment should be considered a stereotype to describe the majority.

Making things harder isn't forcing you to do any less ganking. It just make you work a little harder for each crime you do. And do work for your action is something that everyone has to face.

Yeah, the gankers can just fit up a ship, undock and do the gank, and rince and repeat forever without any work at all as all of his gank ships are already fitted in the station.

So balancing this out is a good idea.

Remember, no risk = no reward. Alot of risk = alot of reward. That's EVE.

Ehh, it seem to me that you have absolutely no clues what so ever what you are talking about. You barely lose sec status for ganking ships. It's the podding that hurts. You can gank many times before you will go towards the outlaw status. Then it might be an idea to maybe fix that as long as you want to avoid getting problems with the faction police.

Also, you can buy security tags that fixes you sec status fast. So you have 2 options. 1. Buy tags and get out of the sec status dilemma easily but the expensive way, or npc it back the hard but cheap way.