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High Sec Ganking - CONCORD Balance request

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#821 - 2017-02-28 01:30:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
Erich Einstein wrote:
Disclaimer: I understand that ganking is a part of the game and I am completely ok with that. I actually like that people in highsec are not completely protected.

Given that, CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) and the security status are completely useless against repeat offenders (mainly -5.0 and lower) who fleet gank every 15min - 24hours a day. Yeah, im talking about those staged up in Jita V - Moon 17 station. Ganking as a profession and source of income should come with the requirement of having to manage and repair your security status based on the system that you are ganking in.

To implement this i propose two changes:

First:
CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) should respond differently if a pilot's security status falls low enough in a particular highsec system. This second phase of aggression would consist of stations and jump gates instantly webbing and warp-disrupting while CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) moves in. This prevents serial criminals from freely moving through highsec and also prevent gank fleets from staging in highsec systems unless they control their security status correctly. Customs officials already behave this way on gates so it makes complete sense to expand this behavior to CONCORD's (edit: Faction Police) abilities. CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) should not be made to look like fools who can be manipulated.

Here is an example of when this second phase would kick in:

1.0 system - CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) phase 2 (-4.0 and lower)
0.9 system - CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) phase 2 (-5.0 and lower)
0.8 system - CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) phase 2 (-6.0 and lower)
0.7 system - CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) phase 2 (-7.0 and lower)
0.6 system - CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) phase 2 (-8.0 and lower)
0.5 system - CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) phase 2 (-9.0 and lower)
0.4 system and lower - not applicable

Second:
To prevent alpha clones from continually being rolled and used as disposable gank toons, I propose that only omega pilots be allowed to set their safety to red, while alpha clones can only set their safety to yellow at most.

I feel that this will balance out the security and safety of highsec without damaging the ability to gank. This change will require gank fleets to put in an effort if they want to treat highsec like a free meal.

This would also bring more meaning to tags, where they can be used to repair status so that mission running is not the only option. Gankers would have to weigh tags cost against target profit to be effective.

CCPlease implement this or something similar so that repeat gank fleets can not freely stage and travel in highsec. If career criminals want to take advantage of major markets like jita and amarr, then they can use an alt or carrier service to get goods. No need for career criminals to even be allowed in highsec. That is what a security status is meant to control.


Is there any other negative beside not being able to gank on alpha drone with thingy that can't be set to red?

I like the idea but not sure of Cocord involvement as they are now ie materialize kill all with super weapons without breaking a sweat.

Edit

isnt there crime watch or bounty thingy that both suck and this could be the way that those systems are adjusted so they stop being bad while allowing ppl to hunt slash shoot baddies.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#822 - 2017-02-28 10:00:42 UTC
@Erich Einstein
You are trying to "hit" guys with a good arguments, but they are made from empty brick...
I feel sorry for your tryings as I take your ideas as mine own;

Actual ganking system is outdated and with changes what CCP did already it's broken...

So far all known updates are to make ganking easier:
- Security status can be fixed with tags;
- U can make Alpha account;
- U just need to wait 15 minutes for another Gankl
- Concord respond even in 0.9 system is SLOW as ****...


baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#823 - 2017-02-28 12:50:41 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
@Erich Einstein
You are trying to "hit" guys with a good arguments, but they are made from empty brick...
I feel sorry for your tryings as I take your ideas as mine own;

Actual ganking system is outdated and with changes what CCP did already it's broken...

So far all known updates are to make ganking easier:
- Security status can be fixed with tags;
- U can make Alpha account;
- U just need to wait 15 minutes for another Gankl
- Concord respond even in 0.9 system is SLOW as ****...




We should undo all of the ganking nerfs to show you what it used to be like.
Nisanthro
Xenometamorphosis
#824 - 2017-02-28 13:07:34 UTC
TL;DR:

Erich Einstein: Outlaws should be benned from high sec!
NightmareX: Yes! Because real life!
everyone else: Roll


When do the two realize they are probably wrong, now matter how much they want to be right? I mean, there are two of them (and one random puppet with poor spelling skills) against EVERYONE ELSE. Is their ego so big they must be right even though proven otherwise over and over? Everyone else are the idiots?

What?
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#825 - 2017-02-28 13:23:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Naye Nathaniel
Nisanthro wrote:
TL;DR:

Erich Einstein: Outlaws should be benned from high sec!
NightmareX: Yes! Because real life!
everyone else: Roll


When do the two realize they are probably wrong, now matter how much they want to be right? I mean, there are two of them (and one random puppet with poor spelling skills) against EVERYONE ELSE. Is their ego so big they must be right even though proven otherwise over and over? Everyone else are the idiots?

What?


Here it comes! Another guy who speaks for others;
Btw there is a typo in your replay; np. cheers
Althalus Stenory
Flying Blacksmiths
#826 - 2017-02-28 13:34:42 UTC
inb4 Concord Minority Report ... :D

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#827 - 2017-02-28 13:45:01 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Nisanthro wrote:
TL;DR:

Erich Einstein: Outlaws should be benned from high sec!
NightmareX: Yes! Because real life!
everyone else: Roll


When do the two realize they are probably wrong, now matter how much they want to be right? I mean, there are two of them (and one random puppet with poor spelling skills) against EVERYONE ELSE. Is their ego so big they must be right even though proven otherwise over and over? Everyone else are the idiots?

What?

Not sure where you get your idea from that we want outlaws banned from high sec from.

If you actually had been bothered to read what we are saying, we want a system that makes it harder and harder (yes, not impossible as you dudes are saying) to do the more ganks / crimes you do so you can't just repeat the same crime over and over in the infinite loop without consequences. Yes, that's all we want. And ofc, the security status should be a big factor if you can enter high sec in a ship bigger than a pod / Shuttle or not.

If you do crimes, you have to take responsibility for your actions and do something about it to fix that if you want to come back into high sec in ships.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#828 - 2017-02-28 13:57:11 UTC
NightmareX wrote:

Not sure where you get your idea from that we want outlaws banned from high sec from.


The fact that you are asking to ban outlaws from highsec because that is what your idea effectively does.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#829 - 2017-02-28 14:02:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
NightmareX wrote:

Not sure where you get your idea from that we want outlaws banned from high sec from.


The fact that you are asking to ban outlaws from highsec because that is what your idea effectively does.

It doesn't. How will a harsher police ban outlaws from high sec?

Are a harsher police preventing you from entering high sec in a ship?

Again, my idea will only make the police harder against the criminals THE MORE THEY DO CRIMES. Yes i had to write that in caps to you so you might get the point.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#830 - 2017-02-28 14:17:05 UTC
NightmareX wrote:

It doesn't. How will a harsher police ban outlaws from high sec?


NightmareX wrote:

instantly webbing and warp-disrupting while CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) moves in.



Thats how.
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#831 - 2017-02-28 14:20:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
NightmareX wrote:

It doesn't. How will a harsher police ban outlaws from high sec?


NightmareX wrote:

instantly webbing and warp-disrupting while CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) moves in.



Thats how.


There is "while"
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#832 - 2017-02-28 14:23:57 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
NightmareX wrote:

It doesn't. How will a harsher police ban outlaws from high sec?


NightmareX wrote:

instantly webbing and warp-disrupting while CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) moves in.



Thats how.


There is "while"


still webbed and scramed. Instant web and scram is not something you can avoid because its, you know, instant. Plus gate guns do not need to warp in, they are already there and blapping.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#833 - 2017-02-28 14:32:52 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
baltec1 wrote:
NightmareX wrote:

It doesn't. How will a harsher police ban outlaws from high sec?


NightmareX wrote:

instantly webbing and warp-disrupting while CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) moves in.



Thats how.

Dependent on how much crimes you have done before and what your sec status is before you jump into that high sec system.

Again, if you want to have it more easy in high sec, then limit your crimes and fix your sec status. All tools are available to do that.

It's simple, you have to work for your crimes. Reshipping into a new ship and just sit lazy waiting 15 minutes is no work.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#834 - 2017-02-28 14:35:28 UTC
NightmareX wrote:


Dependent on how much crimes you have done before and what your sec status is before you jump into that high sec system.

Again, if you want to have it more easy in high sec, then limit your crimes and fix your sec status. All tools are available to do that.


Why do we need this further nerf to both ganking and people in lowsec?
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#835 - 2017-02-28 14:36:16 UTC
Still don't know the difference between outlaws and criminals...

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#836 - 2017-02-28 14:37:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
NightmareX wrote:


Dependent on how much crimes you have done before and what your sec status is before you jump into that high sec system.

Again, if you want to have it more easy in high sec, then limit your crimes and fix your sec status. All tools are available to do that.


Why do we need this further nerf to both ganking and people in lowsec?

Are we talking about the action we do in high sec or low sec?

Low sec and 0.0 space stays the same. We are again talking about the crimes you do in high sec.

Get it?

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#837 - 2017-02-28 14:37:10 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
NightmareX wrote:

It doesn't. How will a harsher police ban outlaws from high sec?


NightmareX wrote:

instantly webbing and warp-disrupting while CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) moves in.



Thats how.


There is "while"


still webbed and scramed. Instant web and scram is not something you can avoid because its, you know, instant. Plus gate guns do not need to warp in, they are already there and blapping.


Just go back burn to gate ;) as you always says to your preys =)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#838 - 2017-02-28 14:39:13 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:


Just go back burn to gate ;) as you always says to your preys =)


Webbed. Scammed.

Locking people out of highsec is not good for the game.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#839 - 2017-02-28 14:40:23 UTC
NightmareX wrote:

Are we talking about the action we do in high sec or low sec?

Low sec and 0.0 space stays the same. We are again talking about the crimes you do in high sec.

Get it?


You are nerfing both gankers and lowsec players by locking them out of highsec.

Why is this nerf required?
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#840 - 2017-02-28 14:41:26 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
baltec1 wrote:
NightmareX wrote:

Are we talking about the action we do in high sec or low sec?

Low sec and 0.0 space stays the same. We are again talking about the crimes you do in high sec.

Get it?


You are nerfing both gankers and lowsec players by locking them out of highsec.

Why is this nerf required?

No it doesn't. How exactly does it nerf them for letting them get harsher punishment the more crimes they do?

Maybe you should explain in details on why it will be a nerf?

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama