Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Where are your proofs that you are not a ganker?

I can't find it here. So until you can prove that, i stand on my argument that you are a massive ganker by the way you posts here. That are my proof in this case.

I do knows this pretty well. Maybe you should explain to me why i don't know the mechanics and why criminals shouldn't be treated like criminals and not like farting ducks farting around in high sec like nothing has ever happened?

You still haven't given ANY explanations on why criminals shouldn't be treated as actual criminals in EVE. Like i have said several times already, the only explanation you / others have given is 'it's a game' and 'that's not how EVE is'. That doesn't explain why we should change how criminals in EVE works. I'm just sayin.

Sooooooo, again, you are claiming a player is stupid for using the freighters as a professional transport ship, aka it's intended usage and stupid for not fitting a freigher with a bunch of PVP mods?

Let me just say LOL to that.

And the thing i said about a Titan was just a perfect example on how stupidly you think they should fit their ship, JUST so they can save their ship.

It was so perfect that you couldn't even counter argument against it.


Yes, i know pretty well that some have said to my that my idea is dumb. I don't even have an issue with that alone, but i haven't seen ANY explanation on WHY it is supposed to be dumb. Because i think a criminal should be treated like a criminal and not like a farting duck with a free pass to keep doing whatever crimes they want to do in high sec without facing harder consequences the more they do their crimes.

And as i think it's not just me who thinks that a criminal should be treated as a criminal, then i'm pretty sure many will agree with me. The only reason you don't agree with me here is because you are a ganker yourself and doesn't want to faces more challenges to keep ganking the more you do it.

You don't have to have a high IQ to figure this out.

I don't give a **** when the garbage like u replay's in such a way :)

Back to topic @
Try to Compare a PK system (aka ganking in EVE) in Lineage and in EVE;

IN Lineage if you PK (not marked player) you get a Wanted status - and u would gonna lose your gear if you be hunted down - EVERYONE want to kill you, you are not safe in town;
You have to put much effort to lose this status;

In Eve - u just gank, die cause of concord, wait 15 minutes - u just lost nothing at all, maybe 15 minutes for a coffee break; as u earn much more from this gank than your ship was worth.

Where is your proof that I am, you made the statement that everybody who disagrees with you is a ganker. That statement is prior to me saying that I am not a ganker, ergo the onus of proof is on you.

What you're doing is known as deflection, you've been caught in a lie and are trying to hide it by accusing others of doing the same.
Because you're obviously ignorant of them, if you knew how the mechanics worked we wouldn't have to constantly correct you on your understanding of them

Right back at ya, you've failed to provide any reasons why they should be treated in a way similar to the way that they are treated in the real world (you're the person who keeps bringing the real world into it).

Our reasons for not doing so are actually fairly valid. The not least of which are that Eve is not the real world, it is an escape from the real world; and that your idea would generate considerable ball ache for CCP, in terms of time, code, implementation and backlash.


If you want to go down the intended use route...

A freighter is considered by CCP to be a capital ship, capital ships are corporate level assets that require a support fleet to operate effectively. Fitting for max cargo and jumping into a hornets nest without support is not the intended use.

I didn't need a counter to your Titan argument, it is utterly irrelevant to the subject at hand. Would you like to purchase another straw to clutch at?


There's been plenty of explanation of the how and whys of your idea being a steaming pile of excrement.
It's ill conceived, poorly researched, and demonstrates a lack of understanding about the current mechanics, it rewards the lazy and the greedy, while punishing those that aren't one or the other and it has consequences that reach far beyond gankers.

Above all it doesn't solve a problem that exists. That problem being people doing stupid things with freighters and feeding gankers easy kills.

Continuing this conversation with you is pointless, you just keep repeating yourself while adding nothing of value.

Like i have said, the way you posts here and defends a broken mechanic, it's not hard to see on what side you are on.

You haven't corrected me on anything towards understanding how a criminal should be treated like. A criminal in EVE now is not being treated like a true criminal. You get a lil 15 minute timer and you are a free man to do whatever crime you want to do again without ANY harsher penalties for continuing to do the crimes like every 15 minutes. Such a nice criminal system right there folks, lol.

So maybe you should explain to me why the criminal system shouldn't be changed when it's obvious that the criminals have it way to easy by keep doing their crimes over and over again without any more penalties.

Because EVE is a game about humans flying spaceships. And because its all about humans this way when it's about the characters, then it should be logic to treat criminals like real criminals like in real life with humans.

So yes, EVE can be compared with real life when real life have planets, galaxies, space station, asteroid belts, stars and humans and so on like in EVE.

Again, explain why a game that is all about real humans (under a character) shouldn't be treated as real life criminals?

Ok, so high sec is suddenly a hornets nest and not a high security space where most peoples are supposed to have many ways of avoiding that kind of things to begin with?

If high sec is a hornets nest, then what the hell is the whole point of having a high sec to begin with then if you can't be in a space where you can be relatively safe where you shouldn't get ganked to hell and back every 15 mins which isn't what high sec is about?

Yes, you are like i have said free to gank others in high sec like always, but NOT without facing harder penalties the more you ganks where the ganks will be harder to do the more you do them. That's the whole idea.

This is the exact thing you can't explain on why it's a bad idea to have a system like that. Oh buuuhuu, it makes your ganking harder. Who cares about that when the freighter pilots or whoever that might get ganked wont have a good gameplay before they can see that the gankers can't just freely roam around everywhere in high sec without ANY issues and without facing harsher penalties for committing more and more crimes. Do you think it's fun for those who have to live with getting potentially getting ganked every 15 minutes where the freighter pilit has to suffer alot while the gankers who are highly breaking the rules of high sec isn't suffering at all and aren't facing any more penalties the more crimes you do?

If you want balance in EVE, you can't just think about what the gankers do, you have to think about what every sides of the eve does and get. Simpler than that it can't get.

The only one that thinks there is an issue with this, is you. Everyone else seems to think that there is no need for that as you cannot and shouldn't stop people from doing dumb things by changing the game mechanics. The devs have already made the tools for you to take on the criminals (you CAN shoot at them in space), it's not their fault that you don't use those tools. You also give the impression that every hauler is scared to undock because they will 99% sure be killed, which is actually not true and you have provided ZERO evidence to prove any of the claims you post. They are nothing more than your opinions.

First i will say that i kinda messed up the last post from me there as i seems to have posted the same quote 2 times. But anyways.

Yeah i see this as an issue, because i'm not a ganker who have a free ride of ganking others with high rewards for having no risks over and over again in the infinite loop without having anything to risk, which by the way goes completely against the risk vs reward concept / balance of EVE.

If you have no risks, then you shouldn't get any big rewards either. However, if you risks alot, then you can expect to gain alot of rewards.

As how the current ganking mechanic works, this is not how things works with that. So it should be changed to reflect the risk vs reward balance.

And also, this has nothing to do with preventing dumb peoples from doing dumb things. It has to do with having a system that punishes criminals harder the more crimes they do in high sec.

How many ******* times do i have to say this?

Again, there are tools that you can use currently, but instead of using them, you are asking CCP change game-mechanics to "fix" an issue that you have no proof of, except you "feel" it's not right.

Secondly, this is a GAME. Not real life. You do things in here that you wouldn't do in real life. You cannot copy mechanics from real life into the game just because "we are all human playing this". You have to prove that something is not working correctly ( which again, requires EVIDENCE, not just that you feel something isn't right)

Thirdly, just because someone doesn't agree with you, it does not mean they are a ganker. They just can think beyond their own type of play.

The problems is when alot of players are ganking the same target. But that problem can be fixed or improved upon by adjusting some mechanics towards each invidual criminal on what they will face for doing a criminal act. That will also make ganking with a single player more balanced to. Because if one player gets penalized for doing a crime, then all othe others who does the same crimes will get the same treatment as a single criminal gets.

You will still be able to commit crimes as normal. The only differences is that it will be harder to do the crimes the more you do it, because the police will be way more over you because you have pissed them off for continuing to break the rules of high sec.

What are those tools you are talking about?

If a freighter pilot want to do his job effectively and professioonal, then he can't just start to fit their freighters with PVP mods just so they "maybe can" save their ships if they gets unlucky getting ganked by criminals. because they aren't doing their intended job of being a freighter pilot if they PVP fit their freighters.

Yes, are they gonna freight, or are they gonna PVP?

So the tool of fitting differently for them is not really a choice.

And the 2nd tool you probably are going to say, is by using alts / friends. But tell me how a freighter pilot should be able to use an alt or friends when the freighter pilot have to use alts or friends and cover the 3-4 jumps out from every direction / to every systems from the system you are in to make sure a potential bumping Machariel isn't there or to prevent a ganking fleet of Destroyers to get the freighter as the Destrouyer fleet can easily take 3 jumps and still arrive at the freighter before it has entered warp, even without being bumped.

Using an alt or some few friends this way doesn't work when you take into consideration on how many Machariels there are out there and how fast a ganking fleet of Destroyer can move several systems before a freighter can enter warp anyways.

If all you do as a freighter-pilot is fit max cargo and undock, it's their own damn fault fot taking a too big risk. They should know better and be prepaired for PVP that MIGHT happen.

Also, the gankers are working as a team and then you complain how the freighter is supposed to be viable as a solo-job? That's not how it works sunshine.