Crime & Punishment

so you are saying people should have to pay to gank, like an omega privilege?

Yea I agree, every highsec activity should be off limits for Alpha clones. If you can't be bothered to help support EVE then you don't deserve the benefits of high sec. If you want to try EVE for free, go to low or null and have at it.


This includes mining, exploration, hauling, anything and everything.

What rights should anyone have if they refuse to pay like the rest of us?

Get subbed or get rekt.

Yeah Burn F******g Alphas !!
...or not.

"Deserve it...." sic...

Are you seriously think about all this alpha thing.

CCP dont give free acces to EVE for long years.
Only a 7 day trial.
Discover Eve in 7 days.
Yeah, sure !

And then they go for this alpha acces.
Why ?
Hmmm... maybe to resplenish the player pool, maybe to give the game a new impulse...

Many alphas will try EVE and go away.

Others try a bit and go for Omega because it's juste frustrating to be limited, and 20 buck per month for hours of gametime it's not a such big deal.

But throw newbies in nullsec to play or, like the OP suggest implicitly, limit the possibility to engage in red dot activities and a bunch of Alphas just quit.

Because it's not fun.
Because the Alpha limitations are already pain in the ass.

Goons try to exploit a game mechanic ?
Woauuu ! Big news !
It's what Goons do.
I guess Eve and his community will survive.

And being a di*k with Alphas it's juste a pathetic attitude.

I try this game and take time to understand how things run before to rush like an idiot with my wallet in hands.
It's free ? Good, i take !

And why i will go for Omega before having all my Alpha skills maxed ?
Why throw my money away before find cool people to play with ?

I support many games througt the time and i can understand this "Pay like others" attitude but seriously think twice before shitt*g on Alphas because in the mass of noobs and others kids may be your futurs corp pals.

Respectfully I disagree. while newbies 'can' do well out in nulsec they have more ability to thrive in one of the empire space areas because there is much more content from a PvE perspective they can tackle on thier own so if the group they are joining can still provide the PvP content based out of highsec or lowsec than empire space is probably better for newbros. It's also eaiser for them to experiemnt with ship fitting cause markets

You need to calm down miner.

Get subbed or get rekt.

So you seem triggered , and I believe that's an emotional reaction, so pot meet kettle and all.

I did say "part of the problem", you're the one who took it personal.

The effort shows in your post.

Get subbed or get rekt.

ONLY null/low/wh would entice players to sub up, and only in null/low/wh will an Alpha get the proper in-game education. I say that based on my belief that no good advice is ever given out by "high sec only" denizens. Blind leading the blind and all. If this is where you take offence, it's probably something you and I will never get past.

You act as if people need training wheels to play this game, if they do they need to find an easier game. EVE requires the ability to learn, situational awareness, and friends. AFK mining in an Alpha venture requires none of that.

Anecdotal or not, my time spent gathering information from Alpha players (in highsec yes) has been informative. How do you get your information? "Gut instinct" doesn't seem quantifiable.

I know this sounds like I'm talking about you, but that's your issue not mine. ;)

I'm still not sold on the idea that most of the Burn Jita participants were Alphas. But let's assume they were.

This year, we had this little gimmick where we would create characters for the occasion, all using the same naming scheme to look more menacing, and the same avatar for a blowjob joke. So, people did create new characters for this and - sure - quite a few of those were probably on Alpha accounts. (I didn't make one, too much effort)

So what? We did things like that before Alphas were even a thing. Heck, you could do this on the old 21 day trial. Were there no Alphas, and no trial, then we would just create our funky new gimmick-characters in a free slot on one of our main accounts, or just use our already existing charactes, which would come with the advantage of being able to multibox a scout or bumper or looter or something to murder undock-killmail-whores (wouldn't want to have a Burn Jita without the latter). The result would be pretty much the same. Pod update fees are not a thing anymore, so it doesn't matter if my 150M main gets podded, and it's not like destroying the sec status on our main characters will hurt most of us. We don't need the sec status in null, but we gain it anyway by ratting. Many goons are at +5 anyway when the time for Burn Jita comes around, and they will be at +5 again just a few weeks later without having to do anything they wouldn't do anyway.

Burn Jita would play out exactly the same way with or without Alphas. So there is no argument for locking safety for Alphas. There is however a big argument against it: Alphas would be excluded from one of the major aspects of the game, and even worse: They would be excluded from one of the few ingame activities that they can really excel in, despite their skillpoint limitations.

Let's not.

Let's just acknowledge that people are using the alpha clones improperly. Period.

Most, all, 32%... none of that really matters. The fact is the feature is being exploited CCP just doesn't want to acknowledge or do anything about it.

The only solution is alpha safeties in highsec.

It sucks for the legitimate alpha clones engaged in highsec ganks/piracy without exploiting the alpha clone feature and recycling accounts. But those people will just have to turn to lowsec, 0.0 and wormhole space for their gank needs unless they want to upgrade to omega.

Who cares what was happening before, what are you even talking about?

-Ganking is good for eve, piracy is good for eve. But those functions are intended to exist inside of a framework of consequences for "unlawful" actions.

-the specific matter of people recycling accounts to avoid those consequences is a direct violation of the eula

It doesn't matter what limitations existed in the past or do today. What is clear is that said limitations are not sufficient in avoid systematic exploitation of those mechanics.

Safeties green for alphas in highsec is the only way to prevent this behavior.

Awwwwww, did someone lose a freighter?