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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#641 - 2017-02-27 08:09:51 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Teckos Pech wrote:
Because it is a farking video game you doorknob.

In this video game we play immortals...people who cannot die. Kill my current meat puppet and my consciousness will fly across light years to a new meat puppet that will house my consciousness...I will then step into a new ship and continue on my merry way. I cannot be permanently killed. I can only be sent to a far off destination, at best.

I no longer identify with the dirt dwellers crawling along the surface of various planets. I have moved beyond them.

As such your notions of justice and law do not hold for me and my kind.

That is the lore of this game.

That you keep trying to shoe-horn everything into today's mores and norms just makes you look like a fool. Especially for a player since 2004. Are you sure you didn't buy that character?

Still doesn't help that it's a video game when everything in EVE is about humans flying spaceships. As long it's normal humans, then we should treat crininals like humans in real life.

Yes, it's a game, but you still haven't explained why this system i have made an idea of should't be in EVE to begin with. Oh noes it's a game and they can't improve it you say?
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Yep as I thought, you're using the real life definition of criminal, as copied verbatim from wikipedia.

We're using the ingame mechanics definition, which is somebody who has a criminal flag.

Context is everything, and in the context of Eve your definition is wrong.

The question is, why shouldn't we use real life arguments for what a crimninal is in EVE when EVE is all about human characters anyways?

We live in a human world after all.
We live in a human world, our characters live in another universe.

Reality and fantasy, know the difference.

You still haven't explained why a criminal shouldn't be treated as a crininal, even though it's just a game.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#642 - 2017-02-27 08:12:35 UTC
NightmareX wrote:

Like i said earlier, lame excuse for what the real issue is. Just because it's a game, doesn't mean you can just keep ganking other like no tomorrow without more consequences for keep doing it.


why? if the game is about villainy, why should i not be a villain?

because you said so? then, ..|..

good day.

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#643 - 2017-02-27 08:16:23 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Nat Silverguard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:

Like i said earlier, lame excuse for what the real issue is. Just because it's a game, doesn't mean you can just keep ganking other like no tomorrow without more consequences for keep doing it.


why? if the game is about villainy, why should i not be a villain?

because you said so? then, ..|..

good day.

The game is all about balance towards everyone. One side here is having a very low balance vs risks atm that should be fixed.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#644 - 2017-02-27 08:19:40 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:

Like i said earlier, lame excuse for what the real issue is. Just because it's a game, doesn't mean you can just keep ganking other like no tomorrow without more consequences for keep doing it.


why? if the game is about villainy, why should i not be a villain?

because you said so? then, ..|..

good day.

The game is all about balance towards everyone. One side here is having a very low balance vs risks atm that should be fixed.


it is balanced, and nothing you say, unless with proof, can convince me otherwise.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#645 - 2017-02-27 08:19:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
NightmareX wrote:
Still doesn't help that it's a video game when everything in EVE is about humans flying spaceships. As long it's normal humans, then we should treat crininals like humans in real life.
Capsuleers aren't normal humans.

Unless you happen to know someone in real life that has implants to boost their mental strength, can transfer their consciousness between meat popsicles and has access to spaceships capable of using stuff like rail guns, lasers, ICBMs and projectile weapons that fire shells the size of a Volkswagen.

Quote:
Yes, it's a game, but you still haven't explained why this system i have made an idea of should't be in EVE to begin with. Oh noes it's a game and they can't improve it you say?
Because it's based on a flawed premise, not to mention probably unworkable from the back end and otherwise a shite idea.

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You still haven't explained why a criminal shouldn't be treated as a crininal, even though it's just a game.
They are treated as criminals, for the definition of criminal as provided by the game.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#646 - 2017-02-27 08:20:10 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Because it is a farking video game you doorknob.

In this video game we play immortals...people who cannot die. Kill my current meat puppet and my consciousness will fly across light years to a new meat puppet that will house my consciousness...I will then step into a new ship and continue on my merry way. I cannot be permanently killed. I can only be sent to a far off destination, at best.

I no longer identify with the dirt dwellers crawling along the surface of various planets. I have moved beyond them.

As such your notions of justice and law do not hold for me and my kind.

That is the lore of this game.

That you keep trying to shoe-horn everything into today's mores and norms just makes you look like a fool. Especially for a player since 2004. Are you sure you didn't buy that character?

Still doesn't help that it's a video game when everything in EVE is about humans flying spaceships. As long it's normal humans, then we should treat crininals like humans in real life.

Yes, it's a game, but you still haven't explained why this system i have made an idea of should't be in EVE to begin with. Oh noes it's a game and they can't improve it you say?


Dude, it is still a make believe world. We are, by RL standards, all monsters.

Applying RL mores and norms we should all be rounded up and spaced ASAP.

Funny how you resort to RL when it suits you and abandon it when it doesn...almost like you are dishonest.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#647 - 2017-02-27 08:21:51 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:

Like i said earlier, lame excuse for what the real issue is. Just because it's a game, doesn't mean you can just keep ganking other like no tomorrow without more consequences for keep doing it.


why? if the game is about villainy, why should i not be a villain?

because you said so? then, ..|..

good day.

The game is all about balance towards everyone. One side here is having a very low balance vs risks atm that should be fixed.


it is balanced, and nothing you say, unless with proof, can convince me otherwise.

Good for you. But ask any freighter pilots who gets ganked on how they feel about the gankers consequences if those risk vs reward mechanics this way are fair or bad. You know pretty well what they will tell you. But you wont admit it because you are a massive ganker ingame yourself and don't want to get harder time ganking the more you do it.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#648 - 2017-02-27 08:24:28 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dude, it is still a make believe world. We are, by RL standards, all monsters.

Applying RL mores and norms we should all be rounded up and spaced ASAP.

Funny how you resort to RL when it suits you and abandon it when it doesn...almost like you are dishonest.

You should still get harsher penalties for breaking the laws in high sec. Oh wait, the police (Concord) is more intrested in eating donuts over being more focused over the law and punish the criminals harder the more crimes they do.

Again, why shouldn't criminals be punished harder the more crimes they do?

You can spin it as much as you like, but when you can't explain what i'm asking for, then just give up as you wont win an argument over me then.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#649 - 2017-02-27 08:24:48 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:

Like i said earlier, lame excuse for what the real issue is. Just because it's a game, doesn't mean you can just keep ganking other like no tomorrow without more consequences for keep doing it.


why? if the game is about villainy, why should i not be a villain?

because you said so? then, ..|..

good day.

The game is all about balance towards everyone. One side here is having a very low balance vs risks atm that should be fixed.


it is balanced, and nothing you say, unless with proof, can convince me otherwise.

Good for you. But ask any freighter pilots who gets ganked on how they feel about the gankers consequences if those risk vs reward mechanics this way are fair or bad. You know pretty well what they will tell you. But you wont admit it because you are a massive ganker ingame yourself and don't want to get harder time ganking the more you do it.


Maybe the freighter pilot should not have taken on so much risk....Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#650 - 2017-02-27 08:24:54 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:

Like i said earlier, lame excuse for what the real issue is. Just because it's a game, doesn't mean you can just keep ganking other like no tomorrow without more consequences for keep doing it.


why? if the game is about villainy, why should i not be a villain?

because you said so? then, ..|..

good day.

The game is all about balance towards everyone. One side here is having a very low balance vs risks atm that should be fixed.


it is balanced, and nothing you say, unless with proof, can convince me otherwise.

Good for you. But ask any freighter pilots who gets ganked on how they feel about the gankers consequences if those risk vs reward mechanics this way are fair or bad. You know pretty well what they will tell you. But you wont admit it because you are a massive ganker ingame yourself and don't want to get harder time ganking the more you do it.


well, ask our frieghter pilots instead on why they're not ganked even once?

Just Add Water
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#651 - 2017-02-27 08:26:26 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dude, it is still a make believe world. We are, by RL standards, all monsters.

Applying RL mores and norms we should all be rounded up and spaced ASAP.

Funny how you resort to RL when it suits you and abandon it when it doesn...almost like you are dishonest.

You should still get harsher penalties for breaking the laws in high sec. Oh wait, the police (Concord) is more intrested in eating donuts over being more focused over the law and punish the criminals harder the more crimes they do.

Again, why shouldn't criminals be punished harder the more crimes they do?


We do. the worse your sec status gets the worse things get up to -10.

-.01 means pretty much nothing. As your sec status gets worse the harder it gets to move around HS. The more trouble it is.

I find it amazing that you have been playing since 2004 and don't know this.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#652 - 2017-02-27 08:26:56 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:

Like i said earlier, lame excuse for what the real issue is. Just because it's a game, doesn't mean you can just keep ganking other like no tomorrow without more consequences for keep doing it.


why? if the game is about villainy, why should i not be a villain?

because you said so? then, ..|..

good day.

The game is all about balance towards everyone. One side here is having a very low balance vs risks atm that should be fixed.


it is balanced, and nothing you say, unless with proof, can convince me otherwise.

Good for you. But ask any freighter pilots who gets ganked on how they feel about the gankers consequences if those risk vs reward mechanics this way are fair or bad. You know pretty well what they will tell you. But you wont admit it because you are a massive ganker ingame yourself and don't want to get harder time ganking the more you do it.


Freighter pilots who overload their holds and autopilot around deserve to be taught a lesson.

Most of them don't seem to learn a thing so we will keep applying a clue-by-four to their heads until they get it.

Also, ganking things actually takes a fair amount of skilled organization so your argument that ganking is too easy is automagically invalid.

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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#653 - 2017-02-27 08:28:33 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dude, it is still a make believe world. We are, by RL standards, all monsters.

Applying RL mores and norms we should all be rounded up and spaced ASAP.

Funny how you resort to RL when it suits you and abandon it when it doesn...almost like you are dishonest.

You should still get harsher penalties for breaking the laws in high sec. Oh wait, the police (Concord) is more intrested in eating donuts over being more focused over the law and punish the criminals harder the more crimes they do.

Again, why shouldn't criminals be punished harder the more crimes they do?


again, because they can NOT do that, they are afraid of us.

they won't even stay at 0.5 systems that's why it takes time for them to arrive...

geez man, learn the game you're trying so hard to play, will you.

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#654 - 2017-02-27 08:28:35 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Teckos Pech wrote:
Maybe the freighter pilot should not have taken on so much risk....Roll

Now, remember that there is a line between taking a risk to having a huge change of dying to gankers because of how the current poor criminal system is working. You don't seems to graps this. But oh well, you are Teckos after all, so no suprises there.
Nat Silverguard wrote:
well, ask our frieghter pilots instead on why they're not ganked even once?

Because he's lucky to not get caught by the gankers?

Once a ganker have got eyes on him, it's game over for him after he have left the docking range of a station.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#655 - 2017-02-27 08:31:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
NightmareX wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dude, it is still a make believe world. We are, by RL standards, all monsters.

Applying RL mores and norms we should all be rounded up and spaced ASAP.

Funny how you resort to RL when it suits you and abandon it when it doesn...almost like you are dishonest.

You should still get harsher penalties for breaking the laws in high sec.
If you want harsher penalties, CCP has already given you the tools to inflict them

Quote:
Oh wait, the police (Concord) is more intrested in eating donuts over being more focused over the law and punish the criminals harder the more crimes they do.
Wrong.

Concord has two jobs, one is to maintain a state of peace between the empires, the other is to punish people who have a criminal flag.

Quote:
Again, why shouldn't criminals be punished harder the more crimes they do?
Because that isn't Concords job, that's the job of the Faction Police and other players, the vast majority of people can't be arsed to do it.

Quote:
You can spin it as much as you like, but when you can't explain what i'm asking for, then just give up as you wont win an argument over me then.
Wat?™

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#656 - 2017-02-27 08:33:24 UTC
NightmareX wrote:

Nat Silverguard wrote:
well, ask our frieghter pilots instead on why they're not ganked even once?

Because he's lucky to not get caught by the gankers?

Once a ganker have got eyes on him, it's game over for him after he have left the docking range of a station.


nah, because they're smart. they've been freighting for years dude, that's all they do mostly, and everybody knows about them.

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#657 - 2017-02-27 08:47:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
NightmareX wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dude, it is still a make believe world. We are, by RL standards, all monsters.

Applying RL mores and norms we should all be rounded up and spaced ASAP.

Funny how you resort to RL when it suits you and abandon it when it doesn...almost like you are dishonest.

You should still get harsher penalties for breaking the laws in high sec. Oh wait, the police (Concord) is more intrested in eating donuts over being more focused over the law and punish the criminals harder the more crimes they do.

Again, why shouldn't criminals be punished harder the more crimes they do?

You can spin it as much as you like, but when you can't explain what i'm asking for, then just give up as you wont win an argument over me then.
Ok, let's take this back to basics.

Grant me this: criminals are intended part of highsec. CCP wants other players to provide the risk in this game, so the players have to be able to be on the same server node and in the same system for this to happen. Also, locking them out would cause all sorts of issues for newer pilots who trash their security status and can't access their stuff, or lowsec pirates who want to move around New Eden, so let's accept for this discussion that free-travel for all players is an idea CCP doesn't want to mess with.

Ok, with that in mind, how would you punish criminals more than they are now? What punishments do you think they should receive that don't already, keeping in mind you can't prevent them from interacting with other players or traveling around? What would you think fair?

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#658 - 2017-02-27 08:52:46 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
If you want harsher penalties, CCP has already given you the tools to inflict them

I'm not supposed to be the police penalizing the crininals harsher the more crimes they do. That's the Concord's job of doing, because a police is supposed to be a police and not a lazy donut eater.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Wrong.

Concord has two jobs, one is to maintain a state of peace between the empires, the other is to punish people who have a criminal flag.

So just because that's how Concord works today, no one can ever improve on the criminal system in EVE, just because 'it's a game' and because 'OMG it's a change so it must be horrible', right?

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Because that isn't Concords job, that's the job of the Faction Police and us, the vast majority of people can't be arsed to do it.

Ehm, the faction police only gets involved towards your security status and not from what kind of crimes you do at one moment. Then it's the Concord's job of taking care of the criminals. But as Concord seems to be lazy and late on handling the criminals, then they need some kind of a buff so the criminals will get it harder to do more and more crimes / ganks.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Wat?™

Ok, thank you very much for your well explained empty argument Roll.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#659 - 2017-02-27 08:57:59 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:

Nat Silverguard wrote:
well, ask our frieghter pilots instead on why they're not ganked even once?

Because he's lucky to not get caught by the gankers?

Once a ganker have got eyes on him, it's game over for him after he have left the docking range of a station.


nah, because they're smart. they've been freighting for years dude, that's all they do mostly, and everybody knows about them.

Oh, so now suddenly the freighter pilots is smart. Didn't you guys say earlier that most freighter pilots was just stupid and is getting ganked because of it?

Make up your mind please.

So if the freighter pilots are smart after all and are still dying to gankers, then what?

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Dolorous Tremmens
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#660 - 2017-02-27 09:00:37 UTC
well trolled sir

Get some Eve. Make it yours.