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High Sec Ganking - CONCORD Balance request

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Lei YingLu
Designated Drivers
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#381 - 2017-02-26 23:54:28 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Lei YingLu wrote:
That debate can go either way, I could ask for a 5 minute timer while those who are on the wrong end of it are asking for an hour. Almost every single timer in the game is 15 minutes or less. The exception being the Jump Fatigue timer.

There should be a jump fatigue type of timer for criminals. The more you jump, the more jump fatigue you get. It should be the same for committing crimes. The more you commit crimes, the more timer you get against Concord. And the more crimes you have done to, the more harsher the police will be against you to.

That's how it should be, because criminals are still criminals and nothing else.


Not necessarily, I gank with another one of my characters that has a positive sec status. So if you consider that for committing a crime while I have a negative sec status I should get a longer timer so by that logic I should be able to have a shorter timer because I don't have a criminal sec status.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#382 - 2017-02-26 23:55:29 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Wander Prian wrote:


I have no issues in killing and losing ships in glorious PVP. You on the other hand seen the have issues with non-concencual pvp, sandbox-mechanics and the whole "you aren't safe in highsec" -ideas that are the main pillars that Eve are built on.

WoW is that way -> You'll like it more.


Stop saying sandbox. It is not a sandbox. It is a brand that gets very frequent updates and changes all the time based on the best interest of the game. There is a reason that gambling got wrecked, roraquals got redesigned, and everything else in this game gets changed. That is not a sandbox, that is a game like another out there in the world. Whenever the good-old-boys club uses the term sandbox, its nothing more than an attempt to discourage changes that they benefit from.


CCP themselves call it a sandbox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08hmqyejCYU


yeah well they are dumb then... Doesn't make it a sandbox.


Is it an open class less system? Does it show examples of emergent game play? Is there spontaneous order?

Yes. Yes. And yes.

Yup, a sandbox.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#383 - 2017-02-26 23:55:34 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Daichi is not a ganker. Nor am I really. I did it as part of Burn Jita events, but outside of that...not really.

I'm pretty sure you all here have alt's who does that day in and out and are using the excuse that you don't do it with one character. I'm not flat out stupid if you think i'am that.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#384 - 2017-02-26 23:57:02 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Solo? With how many accounts? And how many ships?

Every ship had to be bought, hauled and fitted. And then every (or almost every target) has to be scouted. Its not like he was randomly ganking freighters with a single ship.

We're talking hours of work here.


Sorry ... you are wrong. Watch some of Kusions gank vids.


Can you link one that isnt hyperdunking? (cause thats band)

No scout. No tackle. No bumper. No Isboxer. Just ganking a freighter solo.


Thats the thing... its hard to determine which are legit and which are not... Thats they nature of ganks.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#385 - 2017-02-26 23:58:35 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Daichi is not a ganker. Nor am I really. I did it as part of Burn Jita events, but outside of that...not really.

I'm pretty sure you all here have alt's who does that day in and out and are using the excuse that you don't do it with one character. I'm not flat out stupid if you think i'am that.


Nope my alts are all pretty combat incapable as they are for making ISK. Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#386 - 2017-02-26 23:58:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
Teckos Pech wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Wander Prian wrote:


I have no issues in killing and losing ships in glorious PVP. You on the other hand seen the have issues with non-concencual pvp, sandbox-mechanics and the whole "you aren't safe in highsec" -ideas that are the main pillars that Eve are built on.

WoW is that way -> You'll like it more.


Stop saying sandbox. It is not a sandbox. It is a brand that gets very frequent updates and changes all the time based on the best interest of the game. There is a reason that gambling got wrecked, roraquals got redesigned, and everything else in this game gets changed. That is not a sandbox, that is a game like another out there in the world. Whenever the good-old-boys club uses the term sandbox, its nothing more than an attempt to discourage changes that they benefit from.


CCP themselves call it a sandbox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08hmqyejCYU


yeah well they are dumb then... Doesn't make it a sandbox.


Is it an open class less system? Does it show examples of emergent game play? Is there spontaneous order?

Yes. Yes. And yes.

Yup, a sandbox.


nope, alphas cant fly ships that others can. Not class-less. There is also null, low, and high secs, which are class based in nature and define what a pilot can and can not do. Like no cyno in high sec, no cap in high sec etc. And the biggest thing is that these rules are constantly changing according to the best interest of an evolving game.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#387 - 2017-02-26 23:59:32 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Teckos Pech wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Daichi is not a ganker. Nor am I really. I did it as part of Burn Jita events, but outside of that...not really.

I'm pretty sure you all here have alt's who does that day in and out and are using the excuse that you don't do it with one character. I'm not flat out stupid if you think i'am that.


Nope my alts are all pretty combat incapable as they are for making ISK. Roll

I would like to see some proofs on that claim.

Not only that, but you don't have to be much of a PVP character to fit out a Destroyer and gank something. That's something everyone can do.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#388 - 2017-02-27 00:01:45 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
I'm pretty sure you all here have alt's who does that day in and out and are using the excuse that you don't do it with one character. I'm not flat out stupid if you think i'am that.
You'd be wrong.

1 account, 3 characters.
This one, my main, jack of all trades. No kills
My exploration and anom running alt. 2 wardec kills
A character with the skills he was born with and a habit of making fun of people in Amarr local. No kills.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Feyd's Survival Pack
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#389 - 2017-02-27 00:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
I'm pretty sure you all here have alt's who does that day in and out and are using the excuse that you don't do it with one character. I'm not flat out stupid if you think i'am that.
You'd be wrong.

1 account, 3 characters.
This one, my main, jack of all trades. No kills
My exploration and anom running alt. 2 wardec kills
A character with the skills he was born with and a habit of making fun of people in Amarr local. No kills.


Like i said over, you don't have to be much focused into PVP skills to be able to fly a lil Destroyer to be able to gank with it. That's something most players can do in no time.

EDIT: And if you are not a ganker, then why are you so much against treating criminals like actual criminals then?

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#390 - 2017-02-27 00:05:00 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Daichi is not a ganker. Nor am I really. I did it as part of Burn Jita events, but outside of that...not really.

I'm pretty sure you all here have alt's who does that day in and out and are using the excuse that you don't do it with one character. I'm not flat out stupid if you think i'am that.


Sorry, only have this one dude and you can check the killboard-stats if you like.

Wormholer for life.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#391 - 2017-02-27 00:05:57 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
I'm pretty sure you all here have alt's who does that day in and out and are using the excuse that you don't do it with one character. I'm not flat out stupid if you think i'am that.
You'd be wrong.

1 account, 3 characters.
This one, my main, jack of all trades. No kills
My exploration and anom running alt. 2 wardec kills
A character with the skills he was born with and a habit of making fun of people in Amarr local. No kills.



Yeah, but what about your main forum toon.... 27,000 likes... you gank the **** out of every post that gets made to further your forum career.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#392 - 2017-02-27 00:05:59 UTC
NightmareX wrote:


EDIT: And if you are not a ganker, then why are you so much against treating criminals like actual criminals then?


How is that relevant?

Why does one need to be a ganker to not think ganking is a bad thing? I don't gank either.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#393 - 2017-02-27 00:08:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
NightmareX wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
I'm pretty sure you all here have alt's who does that day in and out and are using the excuse that you don't do it with one character. I'm not flat out stupid if you think i'am that.
You'd be wrong.

1 account, 3 characters.
This one, my main, jack of all trades. No kills
My exploration and anom running alt. 2 wardec kills
A character with the skills he was born with and a habit of making fun of people in Amarr local. No kills.


Like i said over, you don't have to be much focused into PVP skills to be able to fly a lil Destroyer to be able to gank with it. That's something most players can do in no time.

EDIT: And if you are not a ganker, then why are you so much against treating criminals like actual criminals then?
Because a lot of my gameplay involves tilting the odds in my favour against them.

If you penalise them, you penalise me. If you make it more difficult for them to operate, the value of what I do in order to tilt the odds is reduced.

In short you take away some of my fun too.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#394 - 2017-02-27 00:08:45 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:

CCP themselves call it a sandbox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08hmqyejCYU


yeah well they are dumb then... Doesn't make it a sandbox.


Is it an open class less system? Does it show examples of emergent game play? Is there spontaneous order?

Yes. Yes. And yes.

Yup, a sandbox.


nope, alphas cant fly ships that others can. Not class-less. There is also null, low, and high secs, which are class based in nature and define what a pilot can and can not do. Like no cyno in high sec, no cap in high sec etc. And the biggest thing is that these rules are constantly changing according to the best interest of an evolving game.


Alphas are a free trial, so not really valid objection. And again they can do whatever their skills enable, just like with an Omega.

HS, LS, and NS provide different levels of relative safety and also different rules of engagement.

So there are very few limitations, it is as sandboxy as one can get. And there is alot of unique and unintended game play.

Yup, sandbox.

In fact, your posts indicate you don't quite understand what a sandbox is.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#395 - 2017-02-27 00:09:28 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Danika Princip wrote:
NightmareX wrote:


EDIT: And if you are not a ganker, then why are you so much against treating criminals like actual criminals then?


How is that relevant?

Why does one need to be a ganker to not think ganking is a bad thing? I don't gank either.

Because if you are a criminal, you should be treated as a criminal that will get a harder time doing crimes as the police will be way more over you ass the more crimes you do. That's what this whole topic is about, making a system that punishes the criminals harder and harder the more crimes they do.

And how will this affect ganking at all?

It just makes it harder to do the ganking.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#396 - 2017-02-27 00:09:32 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Daichi is not a ganker. Nor am I really. I did it as part of Burn Jita events, but outside of that...not really.

I'm pretty sure you all here have alt's who does that day in and out and are using the excuse that you don't do it with one character. I'm not flat out stupid if you think i'am that.


Nope my alts are all pretty combat incapable as they are for making ISK. Roll

I would like to see some proofs on that claim.

Not only that, but you don't have to be much of a PVP character to fit out a Destroyer and gank something. That's something everyone can do.


Tell you what why don't you post your API for all your alts and accounts first. Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#397 - 2017-02-27 00:10:02 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
I'm pretty sure you all here have alt's who does that day in and out and are using the excuse that you don't do it with one character. I'm not flat out stupid if you think i'am that.
You'd be wrong.

1 account, 3 characters.
This one, my main, jack of all trades. No kills
My exploration and anom running alt. 2 wardec kills
A character with the skills he was born with and a habit of making fun of people in Amarr local. No kills.


Like i said over, you don't have to be much focused into PVP skills to be able to fly a lil Destroyer to be able to gank with it. That's something most players can do in no time.

EDIT: And if you are not a ganker, then why are you so much against treating criminals like actual criminals then?
Because a lot of my gameplay involves tilting the odds in my favour against them.

If you penalise them, you penalise me. If you make it more difficult for them to operate, the value of what I do in order to not be a victim is reduced.


if order for you not to be a victim.... Preventing them from over-running highsec by making them more accountable to their criminal actions doesnt not make it harder on you as a victim. That was just dumb.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#398 - 2017-02-27 00:10:26 UTC
NightmareX wrote:


EDIT: And if you are not a ganker, then why are you so much against treating criminals like actual criminals then?


He has an interest in what is good for the overall game, not his own personal agenda.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#399 - 2017-02-27 00:10:44 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Tell you what why don't you post your API for all your alts and accounts first. Roll

I asked you first.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#400 - 2017-02-27 00:11:16 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
I'm pretty sure you all here have alt's who does that day in and out and are using the excuse that you don't do it with one character. I'm not flat out stupid if you think i'am that.
You'd be wrong.

1 account, 3 characters.
This one, my main, jack of all trades. No kills
My exploration and anom running alt. 2 wardec kills
A character with the skills he was born with and a habit of making fun of people in Amarr local. No kills.


Like i said over, you don't have to be much focused into PVP skills to be able to fly a lil Destroyer to be able to gank with it. That's something most players can do in no time.

EDIT: And if you are not a ganker, then why are you so much against treating criminals like actual criminals then?
Because a lot of my gameplay involves tilting the odds in my favour against them.

If you penalise them, you penalise me. If you make it more difficult for them to operate, the value of what I do in order to not be a victim is reduced.


if order for you not to be a victim.... Preventing them from over-running highsec by making them more accountable to their criminal actions doesnt not make it harder on you as a victim. That was just dumb.


Yup, you don't have a clue about emergence....

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online