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High Sec Ganking - CONCORD Balance request

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#261 - 2017-02-26 20:56:45 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:


because you are -8.4 ... you have given up that privilege by performing criminally in lowsec. If you would have blown up **** in null then your security status would still be positive and you could operate freely in highsec. This change benefits so many things, it pushes more people into nullsec, leaving only those who choose to be real pirates in lowsec. Lowsec is for faction warfare and pirates who dont care to be in highsec with their criminal characters. It also still allows ganking in highsec and for career gankers, it requires them to put in more effort to make sure their security status is always in check. If you take 50bil in a day, you can afford the tags to repair your corpmates security status so that you stay below phase 2 (where you get instantly wrecked when you come to a station or gate in something that doesnt instant warp).


...I asked how it would improve the game, not what your frankly bizarre justification for the change was.

lowsec is not only for faction warfare. lowsec is for PVP. Nullsec is for PVP. highsec is for PVP.

Why are you trying to lock players into only one area of space and claiming it will do anything but drive people out of the game entirely?
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#262 - 2017-02-26 20:57:13 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:

Quote:

Red Frog Freight hauls ALOT. They use freighters. Yet they lose very, very few freighters--CORRECTION: they fail very few contracts. If we look at their rate of failure for contracts it is very, very low.


This is wrong... I have a RL friend that works for Red Frog using multiple freighters and every single day he is telling me about a new one that goons toons down just outside of jita.


lol, even if this wasnt a lie,

Its one in thousands that travel everyday.


Stop trying to degrade just how many targets goons take down out of Jita on the daily because faction police are donut eating pussies.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#263 - 2017-02-26 20:58:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
Danika Princip wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:


because you are -8.4 ... you have given up that privilege by performing criminally in lowsec. If you would have blown up **** in null then your security status would still be positive and you could operate freely in highsec. This change benefits so many things, it pushes more people into nullsec, leaving only those who choose to be real pirates in lowsec. Lowsec is for faction warfare and pirates who dont care to be in highsec with their criminal characters. It also still allows ganking in highsec and for career gankers, it requires them to put in more effort to make sure their security status is always in check. If you take 50bil in a day, you can afford the tags to repair your corpmates security status so that you stay below phase 2 (where you get instantly wrecked when you come to a station or gate in something that doesnt instant warp).


...I asked how it would improve the game, not what your frankly bizarre justification for the change was.

lowsec is not only for faction warfare. lowsec is for PVP. Nullsec is for PVP. highsec is for PVP.

Why are you trying to lock players into only one area of space and claiming it will do anything but drive people out of the game entirely?


yeah, and some of those come with a security hit for a reason. Im not locking anyone into anything. You do that to yourself by operating in the wrong space. I know you are afraid of null, but its ok its not as bad as you think.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#264 - 2017-02-26 21:00:59 UTC
You vastly underestimate how many freighters pass through jita safely. You're talking about hundreds PER freighter ganked.

Thats what we've been trying to tell you all this time.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#265 - 2017-02-26 21:01:21 UTC
Yes. They do.

So why does me podding a guy in lowsec mean I should not be allowed in highsec? I already face a lot of restrictions on what I can actually DO there, so why the hell should I be locked out entirely?
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#266 - 2017-02-26 21:03:58 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:

Quote:

Red Frog Freight hauls ALOT. They use freighters. Yet they lose very, very few freighters--CORRECTION: they fail very few contracts. If we look at their rate of failure for contracts it is very, very low.


This is wrong... I have a RL friend that works for Red Frog using multiple freighters and every single day he is telling me about a new one that goons toons down just outside of jita.


lol, even if this wasnt a lie,

Its one in thousands that travel everyday.


How is it so hard for you to watch my twitch videos and see that I might just know what Im talking about in terms of ganking and what goes on daily. I steal from these dudes, my corp steals from these dudes. Thats what we do!!
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#267 - 2017-02-26 21:06:48 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Wander Prian wrote:
By the same logic, we should lock lowsec, nullsec and wormhole-space from anyone that isn't a criminal.


...if only there was a force established to do that. You missed something in your logic I think because their is no basis to that comment.


Sure there is! No law abiding person would have a reason to go to low or nullsec, so they should be required to first go criminal before they are kicked out of highsec.

It's just as arbitrary and stupid as your reasoning for keeping criminals out of highsec

Wormholer for life.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#268 - 2017-02-26 21:07:30 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Yes. They do.

So why does me podding a guy in lowsec mean I should not be allowed in highsec? I already face a lot of restrictions on what I can actually DO there, so why the hell should I be locked out entirely?


because the game says that its not ok to pod guys in lowsec, but you do it anyways and then take a ssecurity hit for it. No ones fault but your own if you want to be a pirate in lowsec and not follow security status rules.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#269 - 2017-02-26 21:08:46 UTC
Wander Prian wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Wander Prian wrote:
By the same logic, we should lock lowsec, nullsec and wormhole-space from anyone that isn't a criminal.


...if only there was a force established to do that. You missed something in your logic I think because their is no basis to that comment.


Sure there is! No law abiding person would have a reason to go to low or nullsec, so they should be required to first go criminal before they are kicked out of highsec.

It's just as arbitrary and stupid as your reasoning for keeping criminals out of highsec


Plenty of reasons to go there... materials, resources, faction warfare .... the list goes on. All non criminal activities
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#270 - 2017-02-26 21:12:25 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:

Plenty of reasons to go there... materials, resources, faction warfare .... the list goes on. All non criminal activities


I'm not convinced you can do FW without going pirate.

Actually you can't do any of those things in low without someone trying to shoot, you, which is going to end with you shooting first and going outlaw in short order.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#271 - 2017-02-26 21:12:37 UTC
Except you dont. You started this thread without knowing the mechanics.

You think witnessing a freighter die everyday makes you an expert on ganking. But you're clearly not, and you are willfully ignoring that hundreds, if not thousands, of freighters pass by without so much as a shot being made.

You don't know what you're talking about. You lie. You ignore what we are trying to tell you.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#272 - 2017-02-26 21:13:29 UTC
Erich Einstein wrote:
Wander Prian wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Wander Prian wrote:
By the same logic, we should lock lowsec, nullsec and wormhole-space from anyone that isn't a criminal.


...if only there was a force established to do that. You missed something in your logic I think because their is no basis to that comment.


Sure there is! No law abiding person would have a reason to go to low or nullsec, so they should be required to first go criminal before they are kicked out of highsec.

It's just as arbitrary and stupid as your reasoning for keeping criminals out of highsec


Plenty of reasons to go there... materials, resources, faction warfare .... the list goes on. All non criminal activities


And the criminals have plenty of legal things to do in highsec. Trading, research, manufacturing for example.

Wormholer for life.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#273 - 2017-02-26 21:15:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Erich Einstein wrote:
How is it so hard for you to watch my twitch videos and see that I might just know what Im talking about in terms of ganking and what goes on daily. I steal from these dudes, my corp steals from these dudes. Thats what we do!!
When you spout ignorance about how crimewatch applies to the people whose gameplay you leech off of, you can't expect us to take this statement seriously.

The only thing that your videos prove is that you're prepared to go suspect in order to loot a wreck that belongs to another.

On that note, do you even know who the wreck of a ganked ship belongs to?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#274 - 2017-02-26 21:19:57 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:

Plenty of reasons to go there... materials, resources, faction warfare .... the list goes on. All non criminal activities


I'm not convinced you can do FW without going pirate.

Actually you can't do any of those things in low without someone trying to shoot, you, which is going to end with you shooting first and going outlaw in short order.


Then learn to play better. Setup more bookmarks to get out of tight spots. Watch my twitch videos. I've lived in lowsec for the last 2 years and still have a positive security status.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#275 - 2017-02-26 21:21:06 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
How is it so hard for you to watch my twitch videos and see that I might just know what Im talking about in terms of ganking and what goes on daily. I steal from these dudes, my corp steals from these dudes. Thats what we do!!
When you spout ignorance about how crimewatch applies to the people you that you leech off of, you cant expect us to take this statement seriously.

The only thing that your videos prove is that you're prepared go suspect in order to loot a wreck that belongs to another.

Do you even know who the wreck of a ganked ship belongs to?


Actually they show that I follow the action and where major things go down.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#276 - 2017-02-26 21:22:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
Wander Prian wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Wander Prian wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Wander Prian wrote:
By the same logic, we should lock lowsec, nullsec and wormhole-space from anyone that isn't a criminal.


...if only there was a force established to do that. You missed something in your logic I think because their is no basis to that comment.


Sure there is! No law abiding person would have a reason to go to low or nullsec, so they should be required to first go criminal before they are kicked out of highsec.

It's just as arbitrary and stupid as your reasoning for keeping criminals out of highsec


Plenty of reasons to go there... materials, resources, faction warfare .... the list goes on. All non criminal activities


And the criminals have plenty of legal things to do in highsec. Trading, research, manufacturing for example.


Operate in null and you can have it all if you want to kill the **** out of people. But being a criminal comes with certain major trade hub sacrafices on your criminal character. Your account gives you three characters for a reason.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#277 - 2017-02-26 21:25:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Erich Einstein wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
How is it so hard for you to watch my twitch videos and see that I might just know what Im talking about in terms of ganking and what goes on daily. I steal from these dudes, my corp steals from these dudes. Thats what we do!!
When you spout ignorance about how crimewatch applies to the people you that you leech off of, you cant expect us to take this statement seriously.

The only thing that your videos prove is that you're prepared go suspect in order to loot a wreck that belongs to another.

Do you even know who the wreck of a ganked ship belongs to?


Actually they show that I follow the action and where major things go down.
That isn't what I was questioning Roll

You've repeatedly demonstrated your ignorance of how Crimewatch affects gankers, while asking for Crimewatch to be changed to further affect gankers, as have some of your supporters/sock puppets.

With that in mind, I'm questioning your statement that you know what you're talking about when it comes to ganking.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#278 - 2017-02-26 21:25:44 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Except you dont. You started this thread without knowing the mechanics.

You think witnessing a freighter die everyday makes you an expert on ganking. But you're clearly not, and you are willfully ignoring that hundreds, if not thousands, of freighters pass by without so much as a shot being made.

You don't know what you're talking about. You lie. You ignore what we are trying to tell you.


Its not about the targets or what they are doing. Its about what the gankers are allowed to get away with in a never-ending loop. The only thing gankers have to worry about is a 15min timer, which usually goes unnoticed since it takes time to reload.
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
#279 - 2017-02-26 21:27:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Erich Einstein
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Erich Einstein wrote:
How is it so hard for you to watch my twitch videos and see that I might just know what Im talking about in terms of ganking and what goes on daily. I steal from these dudes, my corp steals from these dudes. Thats what we do!!
When you spout ignorance about how crimewatch applies to the people you that you leech off of, you cant expect us to take this statement seriously.

The only thing that your videos prove is that you're prepared go suspect in order to loot a wreck that belongs to another.

Do you even know who the wreck of a ganked ship belongs to?


Actually they show that I follow the action and where major things go down.
That isn't what I was questioning Roll

You've repeatedly demonstrated your ignorance of how Crimewatch affect gankers, while asking for Crimewatch to be changed to further affect gankers, as have some of your supporters/sock puppets.

With that in mind, I'm questioning your statement that you know what you're talking about when it comes to ganking.


Question whatever you like man, but Id appreciate it if you discussed the OP without falling off the cliff into other topics not mentioned about in the OP.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#280 - 2017-02-26 21:28:18 UTC
Yes. Its part of the game. They are getting away with nothing more than playing the game. You have as much reason to complain about players mining in a never ending loop.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs