Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And highsec should be completely different from every other kind of space in this respect because...?


And a solo pilot should be immune to one hundred plus people who want to kill them because...?



They are. they lose the ship regardless of the success or failure of the gank.

And titans are being used because they are a big combat ship that dies to one hundred small combat ships. Why should a big non combat ship be immune to a hundred small combat ships?

Newsflash. I know EVE is about getting shot. But does that mean you can just gank over and over forever in high sec without getting any harder circumstances / penalties the more you gank in places where you are supposed to be relatively good protected from getting ganked over and over?

Actually I don’t think so. The thing is that gankers figured out a way for each pilot to lose very little individually and they find targets where the expected payoff is large. The “too little” is “too little” because some idiot decided to offer to “pay them too much” by overloading his freighter.

Why should the ganker get large consequences whereas the fool freighter pilot not face consequences for his incredibly stupid behavior?

That point you never answer.

See, there is no balance issue here because you have prudent players on one hand (suicide gankers) and an imprudent player on the other (the freighter pilot). That is not a balance issue, IMO.

See CCP looks at balance for in game items such as ships and their respective bonuses. Or modules and their in game effects. CCP did balance passes years ago on things like sensor damps, for example. At the time there were no stacking penalties. So CCP implemented stacking penalties and not just on sensor damps, but on most modules like it. CCP also rebalanced titans when people were fitting titans so they could shout frigates.

But CCP does not try and “fix stupid” when it comes to players actions. And in fact it is really hard too. I bet if CCP implemented this rule:

If you put more than 1.5 billion ISK worth of cargo in your freighter you won’t be allowed to undock.

The raging on the forums would be unlike anything we have seen before. Some people would be raging because they have figured out how to safely move an overloaded freighter, and others would be raging because they are upset that somebody is trying to protect them from their own stupidity.

So, why should freighter pilots be, at least in part, shielded from the consequences of their own foolish actions? I know you keep saying, you don’t have a problem with ganking, but you clearly want to nerf it, so you do have a problem with it. And indirectly you’ll provide a buff to the imprudent and even downright stupid freighter pilots who are usually the victims of suicide ganking.

Oh, and here is another thing. These professional groups, they are good at adapting, especially Goons. Back in the day, they used to run Sec Status Safaris. They’d have a designated route where a fleet in stealth bombers would run through, shoot a high value rat, move on to the next system. They’d do this until people’s sec status was “repaired”. Implement this change and Goons might reinstitute the Sec Status Safaris, thus mitigating or even eliminating the effect of this change. Goons might also look for “affiliates” for Miniluv--i.e. people outside their coalition. One thing about Goons is they are very good at their organizational structure. And where would we be with this...the OP back here whining his pathetic ass off that Goons are ganking 24/7 just like they were before the change.

First off, I'm not sure I agree you do understand the nature of the game...but lets set that aside.

Why should players who are foolish be protected from their foolishness?

So flying around with a freighter is suddenly foolish just because they can't use a billion alts to scout several systems ahead of potential bumping Machariels that doesn't really have to be a bumping Machariel and to scout for some baddies that can travel from several jumps out and reach the targeted freighter before the freighter can warp out anyways?

How much work do you expect a freighter pilot to do to make sure he can fly around relatively safe without getting ganked all the time?

When you as a ganker can fly around in high sec suiciding others that easily, then the freighter pilots should be able to do their job as easily that way to.

No. I did not write that. I wrote that using a freighter foolishly should not be protected. Using a freighter prudently is not a problem. Thing is people often want to use it foolishly. Just because it can hold 32.5 billion in nocxium means you should haul 32.5 billion in nocxium. At least not without possible repercussions.

And here lies the problem of this entire post. Highsec has faction police who cant catch their criminal targets, making them a useless feature of the game. Make it so that these faction police catch their targets in X amount of time (where X depends on the players security status) and we have balanced out ganking mechanics vastly.

Than pay for it. The point of having a free version it to be able to do the most basic tasks, not enjoy the game to its fullest extent.

They dont operate correctly, which makes the security status feature broken. If you can ignore them without care, there is something wrong. Your manipulating a particular mechanic of the game to get around the consequences of security status.

They aren't bypassing it. It is there to let them move around HS, but in a limited fashion.