EVE General Discussion

Objective of wars is to supplant your competition by getting concord to ignore your aggression so you can destroy their stuff. And a few other fringe uses. Working as intended.

You will never fix nor balance war decs. Simply put it is in the same class as all ganks or most combat wishes to be: if you find yourself in an even fight you did something wrong already.

Because of this nature almost all aggression, even throughout history, is someone veritably picking on another who they perceive is weaker. Some is the nature of fight or die. But most is wars or aggression of opportunity due to perceived power imbalances. Because of this war decs are in the correct state as any changes to actual hard limit mechanics will put the advantage always with one side or another when in real life it is almost always with the aggressor. In fact only true guerilla warfare has been shown to counter conventional warfare and that must also follow the rules of perceived weakness.

The only issue is a personal one for the aggressor and that is the reason behind the aggression to begin with. Yet human nature dictates that unfortunately this will never change, as much as some of us might want it to. People are people are people.

It is called a locator agent.

Literally the only purpose of war declarations are to attack other people in highsec, unless you're operating a NRDS alliance and want to formalize your engagement out in null with a war decc. I don't see anything that needs changing.

Really?

What are the objectives that are failing to be achieved?

Like all game mechanics, the objective of war decs is to have fun.

Is this happening in high sec? Most of the time, no. The receiver of the war dec will most likely stay docked for the duration. The players will leave corp, or play alts, or play a different game. This leaves the attacker with no targets, which is hardly any fun. This was summed up by CCP in some CSM minutes a few years ago:

"Solomon noted that they were looking specifically into cases where one corp wardecced another corp, and no losses occurred. Usually this means that a larger more powerful entity has wardecced a smaller entity that wants nothing to do with the conflict and therefore does everything in its power to avoid being caught or killed. Solomon wagered that this was the case in 70-80% of wars.

Solomon: The strong prey on the weak, but the weak aren’t responding, and nobody’s getting particularly fun or nourishing gameplay out of this. Is that a failure? "

The only thing I can see to help the issue: Limit war decs to those groups of players who enjoy that style of game play. One way to do this: A corp can declare itself neutral. Doing so means it cannot be in a war, not as an attacker, defender, or ally. For balance it also means it cannot be in an alliance, or have any in-space structures (POS, citadel, complex, etc.)

Another option for doing this: A corp is automatically neutral, unless and until it puts up a structure in space.

Isn´t the main flaw with war deccs that many 'newbie corps' have horrible leadership that doesn´t want to lead their members but instead dock up whenever they get war decced. This "strategy" is not only boring but also quite unneccesary since it's so easy to avoid most of the fighting simply by not going to trade hub regions.

As most of you probably know the Corp I'm a member of is perpetually war decced and our choice on how to handle wars is to go on with our everyday buisness and not make a huge fuss about it. Trade Hubs should always be handled by out of corp alts anyway so I personally don´t see a huge issue with wars.

Not a perfect system and could use some tweeking. Maybe a minimum 1 bil to start a war or something. (Or maybe adjust the on the books value of a Raitaru to be more in line with market prices)

But even if it doesn't, in your example. Defenders pay 400 mil, wardec gets canceled attackers get 200 mil, +360 back from fees. Raitaru is saved and protected from that corp for 2 weeks.

Alternatively, defending corp shows up, puts up a fight, destroys 2 or 3 battleships, wardec ends 24 hours later (so even if reinforced cannot he destroyed) defenders gain 200 mil. Attackers loose full 400 and would need to Dec again to try and get the next timer putting another x amount of isk on the line.

Not being easy to avoid would be nice.

if your corp can't stand a highsec war I mean what was the point of it really?