Player Features and Ideas Discussion

TLDR -- Make a weaker version of the Industrial Core available for the Orca and Porpoise, allowing players to become familiar with the mechanics earlier in their careers and introducing more risk/reward options to HiSec and Low-Class WH mining.

From the standpoint of the Rorqual, I consider recent mining changes to be a great success. You have many strong reasons to be on-grid while providing boosts, not the least of which centers around the Excavator drones and the bonuses from the Industrial Core.

But problems still exists with the Porpoise and the Orca. They aren't very effective in belt other than boosting, and as numerous other threads have pointed out their boosting range seems just a little shorter than optimal for their environments. Additionally, it's very difficult to use them in their hauling role while also maintaining boosts for the fleet.

Interestingly, the Rorqual would suffer from these same issues if not for the Industrial Core. The various bonuses it provides while active plug all of these holes. It is balanced by turning the Rorqual into a sitting duck for the fixed 5 minute duration.

My suggestion is to create a Basic Industrial Core for use only by the Porpoise and Orca (perhaps rename the current modules to Capital Industrial Core?) which would provide similar but reduced bonuses in exchange for the same penalties applied to the Rorqual (increased mass and no mobility). To simplify things, this IC would exist only as a T1 module and be tied to existing skills (either Industrial Reconfiguration or Industrial Command Ships as referenced below).

The following is a list of most attributes of the current T1 Industrial Core and possible values for the new Basic model.

• Remote Shield Booster Duration and Capacitor Use Bonus: -20% to -50% (T1: -75%)
• Drone Damage and Hitpoint Bonus: 20% (T1: 80%)
• Drone Maximum Velocity Bonus: 25% (T1: 25%)
• Drone Ore Mining Yield Bonus: 100% (T1: 400%)
• Drone Ice Harvesting Speed Bonus: -25% (T1: -75%)
• Mining Foreman Burst Strength Bonus: 10% (T1: 25%)
• Command and Mining Foreman Burst Range Bonus: 50% (T1: 150%)
• Remote Shield Booster Range Bonus: 20% to 50% (T1: 100%)
• Shield Booster Duration Bonus: -20% to -25% (T1: -60%)
• Sensor Dampener Resistance Bonus: -75% (T1: -75%)
• Remote Assistance Impedance Bonus: -80% (T1: -80%)
• Scan Resolution Bonus: 50% (T1: 100%)
• Remote Repair Impedance Bonus: -100% (T1: 100%)
• Heavy Water Consumption: 250 units (500 units if tied to Industrial Reconfiguration) (T1: 1000 units)
• Shield Booster Amount Bonus: 20% to 50% (T1: 120%)
• Allows Compression

A module such as this would immediately introduce a risk/reward solution to several complaints regarding the Orca and Porpoise. Want more boost range? Want more output from your mining drones? Want a bump to your remote rep range? Want to compress in HiSec or Low-Class WH space (a major concern for some mining daytrippers when POS placement ends)? Activate this module and lock yourself down for 5 minutes.

Yes, this would require the addition of a Fuel Bay to the Orca and Porpoise for the Heavy Water. But do not add a high slot to accommodate this module. Making hard decisions on modules should be part of the risk/rewards for this option, and should be especially difficult on the Porpoise.

only if you have to use it to get the same benefits you do now. these ships in no way need a buff

Finally give citadels the power to tax compression.

Add a mod that let's the miners compress anyway.

Nothing changes for citadel owners tedium increased for miners


Yep solid plan

Wondering if my timing might be impeccable given the recently announced Rorqual and mining drone changes...

Personally, using an orca is already quite nice, even thought it is usually done solo, but at least the feature of ore compression would be amazing for fleet boosting with quite a few more people. A solo orca literally would take 3-4hours of sitting there in space to fill up the ore bay, so the compression/industry core isn't all the useful to the purpose of using it for mining. It's meant to be a good booster, not a takeover for the actual mining ships, even thought it is quite nice to solo mine while people like myself do not have the time to put my whole attention into the game. The core shouldn't be used exactly like the rorquel to boost it's drones, but it would be a nice addition to have ore compress and maybe a decent boost to minign drones, but nothing insane.

So remove or even further reduce the suggested mining yield bonus. But the small drone bonuses for movement and hit points, those are basic trade offs for being immobile. Compression and boost range, those would be the key benefits.

Lets face it, sooner or later the POS go away and with them the ore compression arrays.
Without ability to tax compression, im sure the ones providing such service now a great many of them will be going private and then those without access will have no compression ability.

This is about the only reason i see for allowing a core on the Orca, and for compression only, no stat bonus from using it. So in the future the little guy, newer group, small scout mining group can get their rocks and get out of dodge.

@ Cade: the more you talk about indy/mining stuff the more you show the lack of knowledge in it. In highsec if an orca is not brick tanked already then your flying it wrong anyway. please FFS STFU already.

Would be cool if the orca got to transform animation like the rorqual has