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High Sec Ganking - CONCORD Balance request

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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#161 - 2017-02-26 07:03:24 UTC
Massive +1 for the Thread Owner!
Finally some people starts to speak it laud;
Todays mechanic is too old for todays players who abuse the rules;

Creating a **** toons of alphas HAVE impact at servers quality - logging off, and on tousands of time per day just to avoide consequances is breaking the rules as there are NO punishment for this kind of actions;

So double +1
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#162 - 2017-02-26 07:03:30 UTC
NightmareX wrote:

Who said anything about how much money i'm traveling with?


But that is the point. Ganking an empty freighter happens, but rarely, aside from events like Burn Jita.

NightmareX wrote:
For all you know i can travel with ALOT of money.


Well, in the U.S. you can travel with any amount of money. Of course, if the police stop you they could take it via civil asset forfeiture. So, you aren’t even safe from them. Maybe CONCORD should start ganking the odd overstuffed freighter and call it civil asset forfeiture.

BTW, with civil asset forfeiture law enforcement must merely suspect wrong doing, not actually charge you with a crime.

NightmareX wrote:
Not only that, but scouting for gankers in Destroyers is very hard. Because one second a gate can be clear and tells the Freighter to jump in. But because the freighter is so slow at entering warp, you can basicly sit 2 jumps out with some Destroyers and just head towards the freighter and gank it before it had entered warp. Not only that. Should every Freighter polits just stop doing what they are doing, just because they see a potential bumping Machariel at gates to?


Use local for the love of God. Set known ganking organizations red. Use webs. Tank your freighter. Don’t put too much value in it. There are plenty of idiots out there you just have to be smarter than them. Let the gankers eat them while you sail on through.

NightmareX wrote:
Once a freighter is getting bumped by some Machariel….


Yes, at this point you have basically screwed up several times.

1. Too much stuff in your cargo hold.
2. No scout.
3. No webs.
4. You probably anti-tanked your freighter.
5. You are almost surely going to die.

You should have not done everything wrong in 1-4.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#163 - 2017-02-26 07:08:19 UTC
NightmareX wrote:

You still haven't explained why Concord shouldn't take into consideration on how much you have ganked each day?

They are the police and are supposed to have control over the crimes you do.

Yeah, Concord should punish you harder and harder within the Concord timer ONCE they take you for doing a new crime.

Yeah, Concord doesn't looks after that now, but that doesn't mean they can't do it in the future. Because it's normal that when you commit a crime, it should be harder and harder for you to avoid Concord within the Concord timer the more crimes you do.

If you do not agree with this, then please give reasonable reasons why this wouldn't work?


So you have two guys, both -10. One guy got that way by ganking. The other by killing people in LS.

You want to treat them the same, but based on your arguments you shouldn’t. One guy has ganked and ganked and ganked. The other engaged people in LS, a place where CONCORD does not patrol.

Jonah is pointing out your mechanics suggestion is flawed, dumb, stupid, and will not discriminate if based on sec status.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#164 - 2017-02-26 07:14:10 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nobody is saying that the game shouldn't be improved, we're saying that your suggestion isn't an improvement in our opinion.

And why isn't it an improvement to actually threat criminals as actual criminals?
This is what history tells us about nerfs to ganking.
  • Gankers get nerfed
  • Gankers adapt.
  • People still explode and whine on the forums about it.
  • Someone else comes up with a great idea to make ganking more difficult.

    • Ad infinitum. The grand circle of one more nerf.

    Now your turn to answer a question.

    I wrote:
    Why should the people who put effort into their gameplay be penalised for it, while at the same rewarding those who don't put any effort or thought in at all?

    How is that anywhere near balanced?


    Adding to this now you have groups like Miniluv and CODE. who are practically profession ganking organizations. They can gank even in 1.0 systems if the idiot has put enough value into his freighter.

    We got here for a reason...that reason are the previous changes to ganking, CONCORD, etc.

    Now you want to nerf it again. Are you sure. It hasn't worked out for you so far.

    And yes, you can nerf it until it is dead, but killing content is not going to help the game. Go look at the trends in Eve Offline.

    "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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    Teckos Pech
    Hogyoku
    Goonswarm Federation
    #165 - 2017-02-26 07:17:13 UTC
    Jakara Dakara wrote:
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    Jakara Dakara wrote:

    OK
    1) You should try searching the forum, this post has been made, ad nauseam, again and again and again.
    2) Concord is designed to react to a crime not prevent, CCP has not mentioned wanting to change this.
    3) Concord gets regularly made a fool out of in the lore, why can't we have fun with the police too?
    4) Having alpha safety locks has been mentioned in other threads as well, they don't want to take emergent game play away from them
    5) Everything you mentioned would still severely damage the ability for dudes to gank, even worse than it has been already.
    6) You've mentioned you steal the loot from a gank and profit off of it (making it less worthwhile for the gankers I might add), why would you want to remove that emergent gameplay/profit source from yourself?


    because its bad gameplay for a highsec system and I can make isk in any security status. I dont rely on ganks for income.


    so what about points 1 - 5?


    Forget it. They guy can't think like that, IMO. He just simply can't. The concepts of emergence and spontaneous order are literally outside his area of knowledge. He isn't even aware of why we have gotten "here" where we have professional ganking groups like CODE. and Miniluv. He should be blaming CCP and their changes to the game that got us here. But he won't because as I said things like emergence are things he just not comprehend. At all.

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    Daichi Yamato
    Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
    #166 - 2017-02-26 07:33:23 UTC
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    Daichi Yamato wrote:
    If you want to make the game better you'd be asking for buffs to ganking. Increases rewards for smart players. Penalises the dumb and lazy. And i mean for haulers and miners when i say that.

    But no. Just another carebear that doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Wants the game to change so he doesn't have to think.


    You must be on a troll fest or something. That or you are just really dumb...


    Not dumb enough to be ganked in a freighter. Big smile

    EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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    Erich Einstein
    Swoop Salvage
    #167 - 2017-02-26 08:09:50 UTC
    Daichi Yamato wrote:
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    Daichi Yamato wrote:
    If you want to make the game better you'd be asking for buffs to ganking. Increases rewards for smart players. Penalises the dumb and lazy. And i mean for haulers and miners when i say that.

    But no. Just another carebear that doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Wants the game to change so he doesn't have to think.


    You must be on a troll fest or something. That or you are just really dumb...


    Not dumb enough to be ganked in a freighter. Big smile


    Yeah, just a 3+ bil hull filled with blueprints : https://zkillboard.com/kill/18320221/
    Teckos Pech
    Hogyoku
    Goonswarm Federation
    #168 - 2017-02-26 08:17:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    Daichi Yamato wrote:
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    Daichi Yamato wrote:
    If you want to make the game better you'd be asking for buffs to ganking. Increases rewards for smart players. Penalises the dumb and lazy. And i mean for haulers and miners when i say that.

    But no. Just another carebear that doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Wants the game to change so he doesn't have to think.


    You must be on a troll fest or something. That or you are just really dumb...


    Not dumb enough to be ganked in a freighter. Big smile


    Yeah, just a 3+ bil hull filled with blueprints : https://zkillboard.com/kill/18320221/


    That wasn't a gank. Roll

    And wow were you looking hard for that one. Is that what you've been doing since your last post. Trolling through Daichi's loss mails trying to find something....anything.

    Truly pathetic. Roll

    "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

    8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
    Erich Einstein
    Swoop Salvage
    #169 - 2017-02-26 08:35:15 UTC
    Teckos Pech wrote:
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    Daichi Yamato wrote:
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    Daichi Yamato wrote:
    If you want to make the game better you'd be asking for buffs to ganking. Increases rewards for smart players. Penalises the dumb and lazy. And i mean for haulers and miners when i say that.

    But no. Just another carebear that doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Wants the game to change so he doesn't have to think.


    You must be on a troll fest or something. That or you are just really dumb...


    Not dumb enough to be ganked in a freighter. Big smile


    Yeah, just a 3+ bil hull filled with blueprints : https://zkillboard.com/kill/18320221/


    That wasn't a gank. Roll

    And wow were you looking hard for that one. Is that what you've been doing since your last post. Trolling through Daichi's loss mails trying to find something....anything.

    Truly pathetic. Roll


    Your likes received and the amount of repetitive posts on this thread are what is pathetic.
    Van Doe
    #170 - 2017-02-26 09:16:28 UTC
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    Daichi Yamato wrote:
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    Daichi Yamato wrote:
    If you want to make the game better you'd be asking for buffs to ganking. Increases rewards for smart players. Penalises the dumb and lazy. And i mean for haulers and miners when i say that.

    But no. Just another carebear that doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Wants the game to change so he doesn't have to think.


    You must be on a troll fest or something. That or you are just really dumb...


    Not dumb enough to be ganked in a freighter. Big smile


    Yeah, just a 3+ bil hull filled with blueprints : https://zkillboard.com/kill/18320221/

    So you want concord to be buffed so they can police in null?

    Btw that's a total legit loss. Nothing to do with the stupidly getting ganked in highsec

    I'm not trolling, I create content for everyone to enjoy. afk cloaky in a system near you while posting in this forum.
    Naye Nathaniel
    COBRA INC
    Seventh Sanctum.
    #171 - 2017-02-26 10:00:03 UTC
    Van Doe wrote:
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    Daichi Yamato wrote:
    Erich Einstein wrote:
    Daichi Yamato wrote:
    If you want to make the game better you'd be asking for buffs to ganking. Increases rewards for smart players. Penalises the dumb and lazy. And i mean for haulers and miners when i say that.

    But no. Just another carebear that doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Wants the game to change so he doesn't have to think.


    You must be on a troll fest or something. That or you are just really dumb...


    Not dumb enough to be ganked in a freighter. Big smile


    Yeah, just a 3+ bil hull filled with blueprints : https://zkillboard.com/kill/18320221/

    So you want concord to be buffed so they can police in null?

    Btw that's a total legit loss. Nothing to do with the stupidly getting ganked in highsec


    What means "stupid getting ganked in high sec"?
    And why i should put so much effort to just move stuff from place to place for a 10-20mil ISK profit? Because some dumb ppl bored of their lifes decide to screw someones game?
    Lugh Crow-Slave
    #172 - 2017-02-26 10:04:04 UTC
    Naye Nathaniel wrote:

    logging off, and on tousands of times a day


    you wut m8

    BLOPS Hauler
    The 16.8km Bubble
    Lugh Crow-Slave
    #173 - 2017-02-26 10:05:35 UTC
    Naye Nathaniel wrote:

    What means "stupid getting ganked in high sec"?
    And why i should put so much effort to just move stuff from place to place for a 10-20mil ISK profit? Because some dumb ppl bored of their lifes decide to screw someones game?



    well if you want to do it safely then yes. at least they are messing with your game within the confines of the game you want to change the game to turn their game to ****

    BLOPS Hauler
    The 16.8km Bubble
    Naye Nathaniel
    COBRA INC
    Seventh Sanctum.
    #174 - 2017-02-26 10:06:14 UTC
    Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
    Naye Nathaniel wrote:

    logging off, and on tousands of times a day


    you wut m8


    https://gyazo.com/1dd70fdc995710edc2b684f7287b1185
    Lugh Crow-Slave
    #175 - 2017-02-26 10:07:40 UTC
    Van Doe wrote:

    So you want concord to be buffed so they can police in null?

    Btw that's a total legit loss. Nothing to do with the stupidly getting ganked in highsec



    no it has to do with stupidly hauling BPOs in a domi through null lol

    BLOPS Hauler
    The 16.8km Bubble
    Naye Nathaniel
    COBRA INC
    Seventh Sanctum.
    #176 - 2017-02-26 10:07:52 UTC
    Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
    Naye Nathaniel wrote:

    What means "stupid getting ganked in high sec"?
    And why i should put so much effort to just move stuff from place to place for a 10-20mil ISK profit? Because some dumb ppl bored of their lifes decide to screw someones game?



    well if you want to do it safely then yes. at least they are messing with your game within the confines of the game you want to change the game to turn their game to ****


    Im in HIGH SEC - that means i should be SAFE to do it-
    If i want to put so much effort for being safe - i would move my ass and go by low sec;

    Being safe means I already PUT MUCH EFFORT as i changed my route from 10j to 20j;
    And U decide to screw MY game - and of course there is no consq for you doing that;
    Teckos Pech
    Hogyoku
    Goonswarm Federation
    #177 - 2017-02-26 10:19:52 UTC
    Naye Nathaniel wrote:


    Im in HIGH SEC - that means i should be SAFE to do it-


    Nope.

    HS means there are just more consequences for me shooting you. That's it. That for many players those consequences dissuade them from shooting you does not mean you are safe from all players.


    Naye Nathaniel wrote:

    If i want to put so much effort for being safe - i would move my ass and go by low sec;


    Maybe you should mover yourself to another game or realize how this game works. Your choice.

    Naye Nathaniel wrote:

    Being safe means I already PUT MUCH EFFORT as i changed my route from 10j to 20j;
    And U decide to screw MY game - and of course there is no consq for you doing that;


    Nope. Again, HS is where there are more consequences if I decide to shoot you. If I bring 29 friends and we shoot you...and your ship is blown up, and yet another friend comes along and scoops the loot and scoots...welcome to the sandbox.

    "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

    8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
    Lugh Crow-Slave
    #178 - 2017-02-26 10:24:10 UTC
    Naye Nathaniel wrote:
    Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
    Naye Nathaniel wrote:

    What means "stupid getting ganked in high sec"?
    And why i should put so much effort to just move stuff from place to place for a 10-20mil ISK profit? Because some dumb ppl bored of their lifes decide to screw someones game?



    well if you want to do it safely then yes. at least they are messing with your game within the confines of the game you want to change the game to turn their game to ****


    Im in HIGH SEC - that means i should be SAFE to do it-
    If i want to put so much effort for being safe - i would move my ass and go by low sec;


    i would like to direct you to eves FAQ where it is plainly stated that HS is not safe sec
    Quote:

    Being safe means I already PUT MUCH EFFORT as i changed my route from 10j to 20j;
    And U decide to screw MY game - and of course there is no consq for you doing that;


    only screw your game if i out play you. that's the game you are playing go to wow if you want a theme park this is a sandbox

    BLOPS Hauler
    The 16.8km Bubble
    Lugh Crow-Slave
    #179 - 2017-02-26 10:34:52 UTC
    Erich Einstein wrote:

    To prevent alpha clones from continually being rolled and used as disposable gank toons, I propose that only omega pilots be allowed to set their safety to red, while alpha clones can only set their safety to yellow at most.



    except ganking is one of the most enjoyable and accessible parts of the game for a new player. it probably generates more subs than it costs.

    BLOPS Hauler
    The 16.8km Bubble
    Dark Lord Trump
    Infinite Point
    Pandemic Horde
    #180 - 2017-02-26 11:05:02 UTC
    Erich Einstein wrote:

    Your likes received and the amount of repetitive posts on this thread are what is pathetic.

    Maybe he receives likes because people agree with him, and the posts are repetitive because you refuse to understand them, necessitating their point being made again?

    I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!