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[CrdG] Regarding Anti-Nation operations....

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Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#1 - 2012-01-21 05:29:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Graelyn
-- A Public Broadcast from the Office of the Cardinal --

I must speak to something weighing heavily on my mind.

I have watched, aghast, as those who once put their lives and livelihoods on the line to stop the atrocities of Sansha's Hordes have, over time, decided that it would be more fiscally beneficial to allow Sansha attacks to persist as long as possible.

These...parasites...compound the suffering of billions in an attempt to profit off of the greatest scourge of our generation.

This disgusting state of affairs has become commonplace now, the standard operating procedure for those who are paid well to safeguard the citizens of all our worlds. This plague is not borne by any single one of our Empires, it affects all Nations, all Factions. We all share the brutal consequences of this abject abuse on the part of the so-called 'saviors' of our planet-bound peoples.

In response to this, a number of capsuleers have risen up to oppose this reprehensible practice, focusing their projected fleet power directly against the head of the snake. These brave men and women have, in recent days, been cutting short these invasions by fearlessly pursuing the Sanshas officers and their Revenant-class Supercarriers as soon as they show their spiked hulls in the light.

These individuals are nothing less than heroes, and should be recognized as such. They should have the support of all who would oppose the terror of Kuvakei, and they have my personal thanks.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-01-21 08:00:25 UTC
This is fiscally beneficial only because CONCORD pays for this. And, I believe, CONCORD knows what does it do.

By making it more profitable, CONCORD pushes capsuleers to destroy more sansha vessels before decapitating incursion forces. Unfortunately, money is the only power to direct majority of capsuleer forces.

As for me, I am sure that endangering civilian population in areas affected by incursions is affordable risk in order to destroy more sansha's forces before they run.

Enemies must be destroyed. No matter what.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Myxx
The Scope
#3 - 2012-01-21 08:32:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Myxx
Some of my associates enjoy abusing the bounties that CONCORD pays out, while I personally believe this is a rampant problem that is only the tip of the iceberg of problems with CONCORD. That said, I agree more or less. I must also apologise for having started a smaller problem within the problems above. Some in my circle of associates thought to teach the entity known as 'Better than Life' how utterly flawed many of their fleets were. We underestimated their ability to think, and instead ignited their desire to be on the top ten CONCORD payout list by any means possible. This was not an ideal situation, or our initial goal.

Though, for some pilots, I guess its given them the opportunity of seperating the money from the less than wise.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#4 - 2012-01-21 12:19:28 UTC
I support those brave capsuleers that cut of the head of the beast as soon as it apears.
I damn those that abuse the system of rewards that CONCORD has created.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#5 - 2012-01-21 16:34:43 UTC
Wise words indeed.

**Vherokior **

N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#6 - 2012-01-21 16:50:05 UTC  |  Edited by: N'maro Makari
Diana Kim wrote:

As for me, I am sure that endangering civilian population in areas affected by incursions is affordable risk in order to destroy more sansha's forces before they run.

Enemies must be destroyed. No matter what.


The problem with this approach is that Sansha clearly has no problem with supply, given that there is no sign of his forces dwindling,

The only way to defeat Nation and safeguard the cluster is to take out their logistical advantage, i.e. their ability to move forces to any point at any time.

Hence why destruction of the Supercarrier at the earliest possible opportunity is not only morally commendable, but a logical necessity.

**Vherokior **

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#7 - 2012-01-21 17:46:29 UTC
Lust for material wealth, eh?

Well, the Saint Ageroth knew all about that, what with happiness being measured by what you hold in your heart, not your hand.

Obviously, the solution is to embrace Righteousness.

Naturally, we could assist with this, explanatory leaflets are available from myself or Synthia or indeed, any CTCS pilot.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
#8 - 2012-01-21 19:18:36 UTC
Nation continues to unveil the deplorable nature of Capsuleers, and no one else is trying to correct it.

Do you understand the necessity of the Master's work now?

I have observed the anti-Nation forces as they have mutated from the coalition of SYNE into splintered factions, truly only shared in their desire for unrestrained profiteering. They maintain policies to not attack the operation leaders and ban lists, stretching out their profiteering and exiling any Capsuleer who does not follow protocol. Humorously, Capsuleers working against Nation lament to me whenever another group 'prematurely ends an Incursion'.

Your so called saviors, Graelyn, I must question their actual motives in this. Perhaps it is a group that escaped my notice - perhaps it is just another SYNE splinter, acting on rumors that CONCORD is cutting pay and they are trying to cash out quickly. Which is it, would you say?

True Slave Foundations Overseer

ϕ

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#9 - 2012-01-21 21:30:19 UTC
The problem with turning people into living weapons is, that they're still people.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Deceiver's Voice
Molok Subclade
#10 - 2012-01-21 23:39:33 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
The problem with turning people into living weapons is, that they're still people.

People will do as people have done, ad infinitum.

Ghost Hunter wrote:
Do you understand the necessity of the Master's work now?

People will do as people have done, ad infinitum.

Your Master is no different. You are no different. We are no different.
Xideinis
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2012-01-22 13:56:03 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
The problem with turning people into living weapons is, that they're still people.


Actually, these are clones. What do you think the first set of invasions was for? Kuvakei wasn't abducting people so he could take them on a picnic. He grew an ever-replenish able army out of them. No matter how many we kill, he can just clone more. He controls them with those damned implants. Do not be fooled. They are weapons. Not people. And they will not hesitate to kill you.
Guthris
The Shard Restaurant
#12 - 2012-01-22 15:25:28 UTC
As far as I know SYNE have always detested the mainstream profiteering performed by certain capsuleers.
Yet they hated the idea of opposing them because of threats of retaliation when these capsuleers are faced with declined profitmaking opportunities.

To see this subject being brought up nearly 4-5 months after the start of Nations invasion just shows how slow people are to react to the ever changing landscape of interplanetary politics.
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-01-22 15:48:07 UTC
Xideinis wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
The problem with turning people into living weapons is, that they're still people.


Actually, these are clones.


We are clones, pod pilot. Are you suggesting that capsuleers, replicas several times removed from their original, vaporized selves, are not people? Some would call that a justifiable position, but perhaps you should clarify what you mean when you dispute the personhood of clones.


Xideinis wrote:
They are weapons. Not people. And they will not hesitate to kill you.


Quite similarly applicable to a great many capsuleers.
Xideinis
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2012-01-22 18:49:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Xideinis
Shaalira D'arc wrote:
Xideinis wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
The problem with turning people into living weapons is, that they're still people.


Actually, these are clones.


We are clones, pod pilot. Are you suggesting that capsuleers, replicas several times removed from their original, vaporized selves, are not people? Some would call that a justifiable position, but perhaps you should clarify what you mean when you dispute the personhood of clones.


Xideinis wrote:
They are weapons. Not people. And they will not hesitate to kill you.


Quite similarly applicable to a great many capsuleers.


The difference is that we have lived, loved, and shared experiences. We have memories. Sansha's true slaves are born into mature bodies with no notion of what life is supposed to be. And then they have those damned implants installed. As capsuleers, we are born to experience life and to keep living by any means we see fit. They are bread to kill anyone who their master deems in need of death. Also, as far as I am aware, Sansha does not use capsuleer technology for any personell less than the True Slave Commanders. Unlike us, when they are killed, their conscious does not get transferred. New clones come with a clean slate.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#15 - 2012-01-22 19:00:44 UTC
Xideinis wrote:
Shaalira D'arc wrote:
Xideinis wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
The problem with turning people into living weapons is, that they're still people.


Actually, these are clones.


We are clones, pod pilot. Are you suggesting that capsuleers, replicas several times removed from their original, vaporized selves, are not people? Some would call that a justifiable position, but perhaps you should clarify what you mean when you dispute the personhood of clones.


Xideinis wrote:
They are weapons. Not people. And they will not hesitate to kill you.


Quite similarly applicable to a great many capsuleers.


The difference is that we have lived, loved, and shared experiences. We have memories. Sansha's true slaves are born into mature bodies with no notion of what life is supposed to be. And then they have those damned implants installed. As capsuleers, we are born to experience life and to keep living by any means we see fit. They are bread to kill anyone who their master deems in need of death. Also, as far as I am aware, Sansha does not use capsuleer technology for any personell less than the True Slave Commanders. Unlike us, when they are killed, their conscious does not get transferred. New clones come with a clean slate.


The things you don't understand about Nation are deadly. There is a reason they say there is no death in Nation, captain. That is because every single True Slave or Citizen can do what you can. Indeed, what every single person who can afford to do it can do, assuming they take the time and effort to have a soft clone.

Nation offers it freely. Death is our true enemy.
Deceiver's Voice
Molok Subclade
#16 - 2012-01-22 20:37:42 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Nation offers it freely. Death is our true enemy.

Wrong. Also so very right.

Nation attacks Capsuleers for one reason, and one reason only.

Humanity is humanity's greatest enemy. Capsuleers are still very much human, only made into weapons via the capsule. You fail to see the patterns that have emerged.

Capsuleers have destroyed Nation's promised land. Until you understand what that truly means, can you truly speak for the Master? Can you truly speak for Nation? Capsuleers attack Nation for many reasons, but in the end, they do so for their own gain. Whether their goal is to further their own recursive ideals or to increase the amount of resources they themselves possess is largely irrelevant, isn't it?

It is all so very reductive.
Xideinis
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2012-01-22 21:01:09 UTC
Deceiver's Voice wrote:

Capsuleers have destroyed Nation's promised land.


I do hope you are not referring to the first war against Sansha's Nation over a century ago. Capsuleer technology has not been in play for more than a decade...

Xideinis wrote:

Also, as far as I am aware, Sansha does not use capsuleer technology for any personell less than the True Slave Commanders. Unlike us, when they are killed, their conscious does not get transferred. New clones come with a clean slate.


I feel this needs more clarification. I was referring to the personnel which are manufactured through Kuvakei's cloning process.
This stands Capsuleer sympathizers aside, of course.
Deceiver's Voice
Molok Subclade
#18 - 2012-01-22 21:20:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Deceiver's Voice
Xideinis wrote:
I do hope you are not referring to the first war against Sansha's Nation over a century ago. Capsuleer technology has not been in play for more than a decade...

No I do not refer to that conflict.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#19 - 2012-01-22 21:36:49 UTC
There is little we can do versus these Incursions but either profit off them through attrition, or destroy the Revenant as soon as it appears.

To stop this war, we have to find out where Nation is coming from. Until then, the Incursions will not stop, they will not slow, and they will cause just as much damage... whether preserved and made a mockery of by Capsuleers, or sent back home at the earliest opportunity.

Katrina Oniseki

Ninavask
The Synenose Accord
#20 - 2012-01-22 21:39:20 UTC
Finally someone is doing something about the Incursions. I salute these heroes, and offer my assets to assist in any possible way.

Dr. Ninavask Revan

Colonist

Alexylva Paradox

The views above are the opinions and beliefs of Dr. Ninavask and do in no way reflect on his employeers or associates at the time of posting.

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