Crime & Punishment

That sounds great, that means my alt can return doing highsec incursions in about 2 weeks when your large griefing fleet required for this have lost its members to direct boredom, due to no gain but the lulz and apparently some returning players to low/null, which arent even meassureable and thus inconclusive.
Unless a fruitful argument drops in.

until then i got some sec status to burn on suicides and other ganks, while this gets boring.

What would the opposite argument be?
ppl who claim highsec incursions are ruining pvp are dumb and mostly lying :)

You make me blush, sir!
No comments I don't talk with faceless people.

In technical sense that is the same result as not being able to comment.

I still see no reason why you are butthurt over people in highsec makes less ISK than you.. what are you stopping besides the carebear income?

If mechanics are the problem you should also be closing ALL low and nullsec incursions as they also procure ISK out of thin air.

i can still only conclude you people are just butthurt, as the primary reason in this thread is "risk vs reward" and lulz.
This entire thread is a big whine thread over broken mechanics, yet you seem to live on the carebear tears.

edit: also there is 7 returning players in my current corp now that came back from years of inactivity to try out incursions, 2 of them have already unsubbed... some gain.

At what point in did I say it wasnt playing the game or that I'm against that? I didnt. I'm also a trader who will buy horribly underpriced items and resell them for a profit. I did not say once that I dont support 'playing the game'. Perhaps I was inaccurate in my attempt to specify what I see as greifing, but I'll tell you now, no, I dont consider any of that greifing. Griefing, is causing other players grief, for no other reason (including profit, advantage, intel, etc) other then to take pleasure in causing them grief. It's all about purpose. If someone pops your ship and loots it for a profit, then they made a profit, but if their sole intent was to grief you, then they are griefing and the profit is just a side effect. I wasnt talking about playing the game, I was talking about griefing specifically, and only griefing.

This is simply my opinion/perspective, to which I'm entitled to just like every single one of you out their is. Your right, nobody is entitled to anything in this game, with the single exception of playing the game as they choose. I just find griefing itself, by itself, deplorable. Grief caused in the pursuit of profit, advantage, intel, or any other sought after object or goal, is while unfortunate, a side effect of playing the game. Grief caused with the intent of griefing people, for example, those that seek to make someone new to the game quit when they lose all 50,000 ISK of their assets in one blinding flash, is a sign of a deeply troubled person who cant find joy without causing harm to others.

Let me make this perfectly clear. I'm neither against the people wanting to kill the mothers, nor the people wanting to farm the sites. You are both playing the game as you like and I applaud that. I'm against them changing the game mechanics, because to be perfectly honest, all this conflict between these two, and possible 3 or 4 groups, I'm not sure who everyones with and dont really care, is good for business. I'm a manufacturer, a trader, a courier, a miner, and several other things in game. I fully endorse you guys fighting it out, losing ships, buying modules, and otherwise stimulating the economy, and that's all just bonuses. I'm most in support of you all playing them game and enjoying it to it's fullest as per your particular play styles. +1 Kudos to everyone on the thread.

I fully encourage an all out war between you all. Market prices should sky rocket.

That was an awful lot of typing you did there to basically say "blah blah grief blah blah my ~opinion~ blah blah STOP BEING NASTY TO EACH OTHER ON THE INTERNET IT HURTS MY FEELINGS ABLOO ABLOO"

Also your name is p. gay, just saying

You are quite misinformed on what an isk faucet is.

Not true. Try running an incursion (anywhere, hi/lo/null) with no logi. Almost no risk is soloing a level 4 with a local tank. Vanguard sites require 2-3 logi pilots. No logi means you have a 100% chance of losing your ships. There is plenty of risk there, and this is not to mention that most people will be meeting their logi pilots for the first time in a pickup fleet. Another risk.

I have seen grand displays of cognitive dissonance displayed by those who have nothing but hate in their heart for incursions and incursion runners.

Those who are currently griefing, etc... do not have the mental fortitude or dexterity to keep their efforts up. Generally if you hold up something else that is shiny, it will get their attention. This happened previously with lvl 4 missions, wh's, and ice....

Yeah, picking up bad logi or joining a griefer fleet is a risk because you aren't careful and fly with people you trust. But it's a risk exactly the same way getting hit by a terrible driver the second you step out your front door is a risk. Drunk/bad/griefer logi/fc does not count. Try again.