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Kingkev4555 Solette
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2017-02-24 16:42:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Kingkev4555 Solette
Is there any variations of salvage drones coming? Right now there is only salvage drone 1 which implies there will be variations to come. It would be nice to have different power of salvage or faction salvage drone. There needs to be a faster way to salvage without having to have a specialized salvage ship on hand for mission running.
mkint
#2 - 2017-02-24 16:55:38 UTC
I've got mixed feelings on this. A straightforward progression from worse -> better isn't very interesting. But there isn't any variation in that segment of the game either, nor much meaningful interaction. What would you have additional types of salvage drones do rather than just being better at the same thing? What would the tradeoffs be in order to make fitting decisions matter?

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Kingkev4555 Solette
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2017-02-24 17:05:47 UTC
First of all there could be different size Salvaging drones requiring more drone bay to hold this would help limit the number of ships that could operate them. And as for where i'm coming from with this is that if you are soloing a mission site you drop a MTU then let your salvage drones do the rest. If they could have like salvage drone that require more bandwidth to use or space then they could increase the salvage probability of the drones. I understand that right now the skills act as a buffer for this but everything else has variations to allow for different ship use and sizes. Also will allow for more money to come in for salvage drones right now they are only worth making for yourself not to sell. This would create a market for them in there own. Most people i know never buy salvage drones they just make them.
Kingkev4555 Solette
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2017-02-24 17:13:13 UTC
Another thing is that the mechanic doesnt make any since. You can salvage a large wreck with a salvage drone and a small wreck and the same size drone can handle that size wreck. There should be salvage drones that can handle big wrecks and ones that can handle small wrecks. As well as maybe some salvage drones that can lock multiple targets to salvage.
mkint
#5 - 2017-02-24 17:25:52 UTC
I'd suggest taking a look at the history of salvaging in EVE. When I started, a salvage boat was a corm or cat with a 4/4 tractor/salvager setup. I'm pretty sure marauders also had a tractor bonus, but T2 salvagers didn't exist, so those utility highs weren't especially useful. Then came the noctis, and it was awesome. That obsoleted the salvage dessie, but not the marauder, so it's okay. Then the MTU, which while extremely useful, almost obsoletes the noctis under a lot of circumstances and nearly obsoletes tractors and T2 tractors, so probably too useful.

Basically what it looks like you're saying is that you want 1 ship to be able to do everything with no real drawbacks, completely obsoleting everything that came before it. Tractors, obsolete. Noctis, obsolete. Salvage mods, obsolete. Marauders, nearly obsolete. That's bad. I was trying to nudge you into a direction that's not bad, but it looks like you don't want to budge. So, -1. Nope.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Cade Windstalker
#6 - 2017-02-24 18:25:55 UTC
Kingkev4555 Solette wrote:
Is there any variations of salvage drones coming? Right now there is only salvage drone 1 which implies there will be variations to come. It would be nice to have different power of salvage or faction salvage drone. There needs to be a faster way to salvage without having to have a specialized salvage ship on hand for mission running.


There really doesn't though. The whole point of salvage drones is limited salvaging ability in exchange for not taking a slot or otherwise requiring much effort or other trade-offs to use.

The only things they could really change for variations are salvaging speed, which would push out dedicated salvaging ships like the Noctis, or adjusting things like speed or HP or whatever, which really aren't going to be worth the expense to the vast majority of players, offering not much of an interesting trade-off.
Scialt
Corporate Navy Police Force
Sleep Reapers
#7 - 2017-02-24 19:02:18 UTC
mkint wrote:
I've got mixed feelings on this. A straightforward progression from worse -> better isn't very interesting. But there isn't any variation in that segment of the game either, nor much meaningful interaction. What would you have additional types of salvage drones do rather than just being better at the same thing? What would the tradeoffs be in order to make fitting decisions matter?


Well... you could have variations.

Drone variant 1 - faster travel speed, less salvage success chance
Drone variant 2 - slower speed, greater size/bandwith requirement, better salvage chance/can salvage T2 wrecks
Drone variant 3 - slower speed, greater size/bandwith, get a bonus to the AMOUNT of salvage from each wreck
Drone variant 4 - faster speed, faster cycle time on salvage, reduction to the amount of salvage from each wreck.

Just a thought. To be honest I'm not sure it would be worth the effort.
Cade Windstalker
#8 - 2017-02-24 19:13:49 UTC
Scialt wrote:
mkint wrote:
I've got mixed feelings on this. A straightforward progression from worse -> better isn't very interesting. But there isn't any variation in that segment of the game either, nor much meaningful interaction. What would you have additional types of salvage drones do rather than just being better at the same thing? What would the tradeoffs be in order to make fitting decisions matter?


Well... you could have variations.

Drone variant 1 - faster travel speed, less salvage success chance
Drone variant 2 - slower speed, greater size/bandwith requirement, better salvage chance/can salvage T2 wrecks
Drone variant 3 - slower speed, greater size/bandwith, get a bonus to the AMOUNT of salvage from each wreck
Drone variant 4 - faster speed, faster cycle time on salvage, reduction to the amount of salvage from each wreck.

Just a thought. To be honest I'm not sure it would be worth the effort.


More speed is basically never going to be worth losing salvage chance.

Letting drones salvage T2 wrecks at all is a bad idea and would basically remove the need to bring an actual salvaging module completely.

Salvage amount is fixed and not in any way based on the module being used.

See why this isn't a thing?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#9 - 2017-02-24 20:36:27 UTC
Kingkev4555 Solette wrote:
. There needs to be a faster way to salvage without having to have a specialized salvage ship on hand for mission running.



no there doesn't that would make those ships pointless

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
mkint
#10 - 2017-02-25 02:56:40 UTC
Scialt wrote:
mkint wrote:
I've got mixed feelings on this. A straightforward progression from worse -> better isn't very interesting. But there isn't any variation in that segment of the game either, nor much meaningful interaction. What would you have additional types of salvage drones do rather than just being better at the same thing? What would the tradeoffs be in order to make fitting decisions matter?


Well... you could have variations.

Drone variant 1 - faster travel speed, less salvage success chance
Drone variant 2 - slower speed, greater size/bandwith requirement, better salvage chance/can salvage T2 wrecks
Drone variant 3 - slower speed, greater size/bandwith, get a bonus to the AMOUNT of salvage from each wreck
Drone variant 4 - faster speed, faster cycle time on salvage, reduction to the amount of salvage from each wreck.

Just a thought. To be honest I'm not sure it would be worth the effort.


For variant 3 and 4... salvage content is decided the moment the wreck is created. Those would require some changes to the wreck mechanics.

Would being able to salvage T2 wrecks serve to obsolete other loadouts? I'm not too sure. I don't generally like the idea of better drones rather than more interesting drones.

A fast salvage drone... it would need to be slower than an unbonused tractor beam or you'd risk obsoleting tractors. Tricky.

A variation I had though of but didn't want to put out there until the OP had put in more than an "i want gimme gimme" amount of effort...

A salvage drone that has far weaker strength of a normal salvage drone, but it also can deal some damage to ships. Like 1/2 the DPS of a hob, and 1/2 the chance of success as a normal salvage drone. It would suck at both things, but it would still be worthy of consideration.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#11 - 2017-02-25 04:10:42 UTC
T1 salvage drone is fine as is.

You want to salvage T2 (commander) wrecks then bring a salvage module.

-1
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#12 - 2017-02-25 05:46:09 UTC
Pretty sure salvage drones can already salvage nearly all the T2 wrecks anyway..... if you bother training the skill to V. Some of the advanced sleepers it can't.
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2017-02-25 14:26:46 UTC
Whether or not they add salvage drone II's or a named variant, you're going to get better results out of a Salvager, much better results out of a Salvager II.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2017-02-25 14:31:45 UTC
They need it for mining drones also.