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Who Izit
Ishukone-Raata Accounting and Transport
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#1 - 2017-02-19 02:56:37 UTC
Lost my Nomad recently. Gankers are apparantly able to switch Freeport mode quickly and easily. Overview even said Public Freeport. Yes I did see the caution about not being able to re-dock I just wanted to quickly jump but they Instalocked me even quicker and while yes it is per you're game mechanics to function this way it shouldn't be. Wardec's have a timer and so should Citadels !
I've been a regular (semi-active) subscriber for 7 years and have bought alot of Plex but unless this issue is dealt with I'll probably unsub my three accounts as I'm tired of funding EVE thieves.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2 - 2017-02-19 05:08:25 UTC
On the first issue, I don't think a change is needed. If the owner wants to change docking rights, they should totally have that right and it should be instant.

Putting in a delay, might also lead to situations that are a disadvantage to them, even though they own the structure.

Instant undocks are just as valuable for jump freighters operating at a Citadel in low/null as they are to other ships, so the ability to avoid loss is already there.

Who Izit wrote:
I've been a regular (semi-active) subscriber for 7 years and have bought alot of Plex but unless this issue is dealt with I'll probably unsub my three accounts as I'm tired of funding EVE thieves.

And how long have the people subscribed that killed you; and how many PLEX have they purchased?

If you want to do something different with your money, then do it. Threatening to take your money and run unless the game is changed to suit you is pretty weak.
Cade Windstalker
#3 - 2017-02-19 06:39:29 UTC
Using others Citadels, especially in Low and Null, is entirely at your own risk and this is very much intentional.

There's no reason a delay needs to be introduced for Freeport access. If you kick someone out of your business they don't get a free five minutes to finish their shopping. Similarly if someone shows up and starts shooting your pilots there's no reason you should need to wait five minutes before you can stop them using your Citadels for docking and repair.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#4 - 2017-02-19 07:04:07 UTC
sounds like you knew full well you could not dock and you had the ability to see outside the station. you had all the info you needed to understand the risk involved with your action and you decided to be stupid rather than just wait till no one was on the undock.

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2017-02-19 14:52:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Wolfgang Jannesen
Who Izit wrote:
Lost my Nomad recently. Gankers are apparantly able to switch Freeport mode quickly and easily. Overview even said Public Freeport. Yes I did see the caution about not being able to re-dock I just wanted to quickly jump but they Instalocked me even quicker and while yes it is per you're game mechanics to function this way it shouldn't be. Wardec's have a timer and so should Citadels !
I've been a regular (semi-active) subscriber for 7 years and have bought alot of Plex but unless this issue is dealt with I'll probably unsub my three accounts as I'm tired of funding EVE thieves.


It sounds like your problem wasn't the Freeport, it was that you warped on a citadel you weren't ever going to get inside from the beginning, then got ganked. How is this CCP's fault vs regular gameplay?

Also -1 for pulling the 'I put money in this game thus I should be invincible' card.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2017-02-19 18:52:04 UTC
I'm confused. I thought Citadels gave you the same 30 seconds of invulnerability that stations did. Is that not the case?

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#7 - 2017-02-19 22:26:24 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Who Izit wrote:
I've been a regular (semi-active) subscriber for 7 years and have bought alot of Plex but unless this issue is dealt with I'll probably unsub my three accounts as I'm tired of funding EVE thieves.

And how long have the people subscribed that killed you; and how many PLEX have they purchased?

If you want to do something different with your money, then do it. Threatening to take your money and run unless the game is changed to suit you is pretty weak.

Underlined for emphasis.
Who Izit
Ishukone-Raata Accounting and Transport
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#8 - 2017-02-19 22:42:30 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
I'm confused. I thought Citadels gave you the same 30 seconds of invulnerability that stations did. Is that not the case?


Had the station still been in Freeport mode I probably would have had the 30 seconds but it was switched to non-freeport while docked.
Who Izit
Ishukone-Raata Accounting and Transport
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#9 - 2017-02-19 22:54:43 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Who Izit wrote:
Lost my Nomad recently. Gankers are apparantly able to switch Freeport mode quickly and easily. Overview even said Public Freeport. Yes I did see the caution about not being able to re-dock I just wanted to quickly jump but they Instalocked me even quicker and while yes it is per you're game mechanics to function this way it shouldn't be. Wardec's have a timer and so should Citadels !
I've been a regular (semi-active) subscriber for 7 years and have bought alot of Plex but unless this issue is dealt with I'll probably unsub my three accounts as I'm tired of funding EVE thieves.


It sounds like your problem wasn't the Freeport, it was that you warped on a citadel you weren't ever going to get inside from the beginning, then got ganked. How is this CCP's fault vs regular gameplay?

Also -1 for pulling the 'I put money in this game thus I should be invincible' card.



I was able to dock in the Citadel when it was sneakily advertised as being Public Freeport . It was immediately changed to non-freeport while docked. CCP obviously favors the damn gankers because the more ships etc that are destroyed the more plex thats sold and the more they profit.
What are the rules for stations? Doubtfull you can enable/disable Freeport in those like a lightswitch...
Lugh Crow-Slave
#10 - 2017-02-20 01:18:43 UTC
Who Izit wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Who Izit wrote:
Lost my Nomad recently. Gankers are apparantly able to switch Freeport mode quickly and easily. Overview even said Public Freeport. Yes I did see the caution about not being able to re-dock I just wanted to quickly jump but they Instalocked me even quicker and while yes it is per you're game mechanics to function this way it shouldn't be. Wardec's have a timer and so should Citadels !
I've been a regular (semi-active) subscriber for 7 years and have bought alot of Plex but unless this issue is dealt with I'll probably unsub my three accounts as I'm tired of funding EVE thieves.


It sounds like your problem wasn't the Freeport, it was that you warped on a citadel you weren't ever going to get inside from the beginning, then got ganked. How is this CCP's fault vs regular gameplay?

Also -1 for pulling the 'I put money in this game thus I should be invincible' card.



I was able to dock in the Citadel when it was sneakily advertised as being Public Freeport . It was immediately changed to non-freeport while docked. CCP obviously favors the damn gankers because the more ships etc that are destroyed the more plex thats sold and the more they profit.
What are the rules for stations? Doubtfull you can enable/disable Freeport in those like a lightswitch...



if you mean outposts yes you can...


again you were given the message telling you that you had lost the ability to dock. you were warned and you acknowledged you were warned there was no unfair trickery here

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Cade Windstalker
#11 - 2017-02-20 04:04:10 UTC
Who Izit wrote:
I was able to dock in the Citadel when it was sneakily advertised as being Public Freeport . It was immediately changed to non-freeport while docked. CCP obviously favors the damn gankers because the more ships etc that are destroyed the more plex thats sold and the more they profit.
What are the rules for stations? Doubtfull you can enable/disable Freeport in those like a lightswitch...


Now you've learned, don't trust neutral freeports...

And yeah, you can for Outposts as well and have been able to for almost a decade now. NPC stations have no access controls but if they did they would doubtlessly operate in the same way.
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2017-02-20 14:52:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Wolfgang Jannesen
Who Izit wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Who Izit wrote:
Lost my Nomad recently. Gankers are apparantly able to switch Freeport mode quickly and easily. Overview even said Public Freeport. Yes I did see the caution about not being able to re-dock I just wanted to quickly jump but they Instalocked me even quicker and while yes it is per you're game mechanics to function this way it shouldn't be. Wardec's have a timer and so should Citadels !
I've been a regular (semi-active) subscriber for 7 years and have bought alot of Plex but unless this issue is dealt with I'll probably unsub my three accounts as I'm tired of funding EVE thieves.


It sounds like your problem wasn't the Freeport, it was that you warped on a citadel you weren't ever going to get inside from the beginning, then got ganked. How is this CCP's fault vs regular gameplay?

Also -1 for pulling the 'I put money in this game thus I should be invincible' card.



I was able to dock in the Citadel when it was sneakily advertised as being Public Freeport . It was immediately changed to non-freeport while docked. CCP obviously favors the damn gankers because the more ships etc that are destroyed the more plex thats sold and the more they profit.
What are the rules for stations? Doubtfull you can enable/disable Freeport in those like a lightswitch...


No, you just made a huge mistake in dangerous space and payed the price for it, At the same time though this is a good warning to know your route and the corporations operating those citadels, so this doesn't happen as often. I like that this is a risk of using capsules made stations, and while I'm sorry you lost a ship, this wasn't outside of regular gameplay mechanics and you lost your ship fair and square, CCP didn't do anything but make a game you could lose at.

Edit: You keep mentioning PLEX. Don't buy ships with plex money, you'd have a safer investment just burning that money outside.
Who Izit
Ishukone-Raata Accounting and Transport
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#13 - 2017-02-21 01:58:04 UTC
So does the station invulnerability timer affect Citadels because I've been hitting stop upon undock probably killing my invulnerability also ...?
Cade Windstalker
#14 - 2017-02-21 03:22:27 UTC
Who Izit wrote:
So does the station invulnerability timer affect Citadels because I've been hitting stop upon undock probably killing my invulnerability also ...?


Yup, it does as far as I am aware.
Who Izit
Ishukone-Raata Accounting and Transport
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#15 - 2017-02-24 02:29:39 UTC
Wonderful, 7 years in game and I still don't understand basic station mechanics. Sorry CCP , Just another stupid pilot