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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#8621 - 2017-02-23 12:17:10 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
[quote=baltec1][quote=Naye

And what is the reason to do something to local?
If u get rid of local u help gankers in high sec which would have easy life killing more freighters;
Same stuff in low sec, which u would never fly again to a gate in case someone would blob it;

If u don't like local - go to wormhole =)


Local is a very powerful intel tool in null. The drone lands for example can see you coming from upwards of 40 systems away and track your progress in real time. If you remove AFK cloaking then you remove the ability to catch the vast bulk of people in null simply because there would be nothing to counter this intel system.
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#8622 - 2017-02-23 13:06:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
[quote=baltec1][quote=Naye

And what is the reason to do something to local?
If u get rid of local u help gankers in high sec which would have easy life killing more freighters;
Same stuff in low sec, which u would never fly again to a gate in case someone would blob it;

If u don't like local - go to wormhole =)


Local is a very powerful intel tool in null. The drone lands for example can see you coming from upwards of 40 systems away and track your progress in real time. If you remove AFK cloaking then you remove the ability to catch the vast bulk of people in null simply because there would be nothing to counter this intel system.


I don't get it - please explain me;
What you want to counter?
Let's say - there is a thing which dont alow afk cloaking camp in system;
What is it have with local?

U just countered the uncounterable part of eve;
As CCP did with unscannable T3 ships (gg CCP....)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#8623 - 2017-02-23 13:11:19 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
[quote=baltec1][quote=Naye

And what is the reason to do something to local?
If u get rid of local u help gankers in high sec which would have easy life killing more freighters;
Same stuff in low sec, which u would never fly again to a gate in case someone would blob it;

If u don't like local - go to wormhole =)


Local is a very powerful intel tool in null. The drone lands for example can see you coming from upwards of 40 systems away and track your progress in real time. If you remove AFK cloaking then you remove the ability to catch the vast bulk of people in null simply because there would be nothing to counter this intel system.


I don't get it - please explain me;
What you want to counter?
Let's say - there is a thing which dont alow afk cloaking camp in system;
What is it have with local?

U just countered the uncounterable part of eve;
As CCP did with unscannable T3 ships (gg CCP....)


AFK cloaking is the only way to get around local and thus the intel tools. Yes they can still see you but if you are sitting in there doing nothing then they will eventually let their guard down. It's not a great counter to local based intel networks but it's all we have. Remove it and local based intel networks will have no counters at all. This means 100% safety for the residents.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#8624 - 2017-02-23 16:18:15 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
[quote=Ji7 Aldard][quote=Teckos Pech]


Now CCP is most likely, based on hints they've dropped, going to do the following:

1. Remove local.


Great Idea :)
Let's help gankers in high sec to gank even more if u don't know that they are in system :)
That would make this game even more paranoic :)
Not the mention it'll slow down ALL the actions what's are now :)



First off this is not a HS ganking thread. So your post is off topic. Second, HS ganking has as much to do with the imprudence of the freighter pilot as it does the gankers. In fact, the imprudent actions of the freighter pilot precede any actions the gankers take.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6761420#post6761420

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#8625 - 2017-02-23 16:25:48 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


So long as local exists in the way it currently does we will need AFK cloaking to counter it.


There is no doubt - there should be something done wih AFK cloakers;
My idea is a anchorable in SOV module which ping cloacky ships every 20 minutes, if its afk itll ping his position and ull have like 2 minutes to scan him down;

Or i have other idea - if you are away of keyboard, u should be logged out if u are in space - the only thing when u wont be logged out would be if you are behind a pos forcefield are have modules activated other than cloak OR you have an activate target on (so afk mining would be still possible);


Nope. You should not get intel like this, IMO. You should have to do something other than a one and done thing like anchoring a module. And no fuel doesn't count.

And local needs to go if you are going to be able to find cloakers.

Right now people are not complaining about cloaked ships simply because they can't find them, but that they feel there is nothing they can do in response (which, IMO, is not true, but that has been discussed already, swim back upstream and read about it). No, you should not get increased safety in NS while ratting. It is already safe enough....in fact some could argue it is too safe.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#8626 - 2017-02-23 16:33:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
[quote=baltec1][quote=Naye

And what is the reason to do something to local?
If u get rid of local u help gankers in high sec which would have easy life killing more freighters;
Same stuff in low sec, which u would never fly again to a gate in case someone would blob it;

If u don't like local - go to wormhole =)


Local is a very powerful intel tool in null. The drone lands for example can see you coming from upwards of 40 systems away and track your progress in real time. If you remove AFK cloaking then you remove the ability to catch the vast bulk of people in null simply because there would be nothing to counter this intel system.


I don't get it - please explain me;
What you want to counter?
Let's say - there is a thing which dont alow afk cloaking camp in system;
What is it have with local?

U just countered the uncounterable part of eve;
As CCP did with unscannable T3 ships (gg CCP....)


Local is perfect. It never misleads. It tells you who is in system with you, always and everywhere. In fact, if you are in system it will give you advance warning on a hostile entering system. Combine that with an intel channel where people report who they see in local and you will have a system where even with a cloak you will have a hard time catching people, because by the time you get to that system you will likely have been spotted and reported several times and your direction of travel noted.

AFK cloaking will take this system and use it against the people using it for their benefit. Now their awesome system above has become a doubled edged sword that is not "cutting them" by cutting down their ratting, etc. And it is often used to try and lul a player into a false sense of complacency. That is, they AFK cloak long enough that people start undocking and doing stuff. Once this happens the AFK cloaker is now going to be ATK, at least part of the time, and looking for kills.

Remove local and you are buffing ratting and all other ISK making activities in NS. So....explain why you need this buff and why ATK cloaking players should be nerfed? Buffing one activity and nerfing another is not balanced game design, BTW. Especially when you are nerfing people who are "not the problem". For example, I have noted I've been hunting with a cloak lately, often solo. I am not AFK cloaking. Even if I linger in system I am still at my keyboard. You want to nerf my play and buff mine, but yet you have not made even a fig leafs attempt at pointing out an existing imbalance.

So, to your idea. No. It is bad.

Edit: Oh and local is invulnerable. Nobody can "shoot" local and keep it from working. They can't hack it and trick it. You can do nothing to local except try and use it to your advantage. Both as a ratter and as an AFK cloaker.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#8627 - 2017-02-23 16:41:26 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
[quote=baltec1][quote=Naye

And what is the reason to do something to local?
If u get rid of local u help gankers in high sec which would have easy life killing more freighters;
Same stuff in low sec, which u would never fly again to a gate in case someone would blob it;

If u don't like local - go to wormhole =)


Local is a very powerful intel tool in null. The drone lands for example can see you coming from upwards of 40 systems away and track your progress in real time. If you remove AFK cloaking then you remove the ability to catch the vast bulk of people in null simply because there would be nothing to counter this intel system.


I don't get it - please explain me;
What you want to counter?
Let's say - there is a thing which dont alow afk cloaking camp in system;
What is it have with local?

U just countered the uncounterable part of eve;
As CCP did with unscannable T3 ships (gg CCP....)


Basically people like baltec1 played in the most active time zone of an alliance that held deep space behind a load of meat shields and which had a very effective intel reporting where they would know of the movements of roaming gangs. He assumes that this state of affairs applies to all other alliances and therefore thinks that AFK cloaky camping is the only counter. He fails to acknowledge that an intel system based on local is only as good as the active people posting on sightings.

He also fails to acknowledge that recent carrier changes result in an awful lot more micro management of your fighters, meaning that your attention is more focused on not losing fighters then reports from various channels and reporting.

So he is taking the most perfect situation and applying it to every alliance and TZ in the game. The truth is that he and his buddies do not want to hop into interceptors to get initial point, they want totally no risk easy kills by hot drops and if the person they are camping 24/24 7/7 gets fed up and leaves 0.0 and then the game they take that as a win too because Eve is not the game for them. Which removes content from roamers who are looking for good fights from people who want to and have the means to defend their space.

Does that help in understanding just where he comes from?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#8628 - 2017-02-23 17:07:54 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
He also fails to acknowledge that recent carrier changes result in an awful lot more micro management of your fighters, meaning that your attention is more focused on not losing fighters then reports from various channels and reporting.

Plenty of tools available that parse the chatlog files and alert you to any danger with sound pings and the like. Your argument is mood.
They don't have to pay attention, they don't even have to be in front of their PC. All they have to do is react when they hear that distinct sound that there is a threat.

AFK cloaking, short of having a wormhole directly in a juicy system with people not paying attention or catching them while they warp to a site, is the only counter we have to local.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#8629 - 2017-02-23 17:22:49 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
He also fails to acknowledge that recent carrier changes result in an awful lot more micro management of your fighters, meaning that your attention is more focused on not losing fighters then reports from various channels and reporting.

Plenty of tools available that parse the chatlog files and alert you to any danger with sound pings and the like. Your argument is mood.
They don't have to pay attention, they don't even have to be in front of their PC. All they have to do is react when they hear that distinct sound that there is a threat.

AFK cloaking, short of having a wormhole directly in a juicy system with people not paying attention or catching them while they warp to a site, is the only counter we have to local.


I have been in a number of 0.0 alliances and never seen stuff like that, again the assumption is that you think that just because some people have done this everyone has done it, that is certainly not the case.

And WH's are always a threat but most of their players hate getting into interceptors and light stuff which is why they whine so much, though Inner Hell are definitely not like that and catch a ton of stuff.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#8630 - 2017-02-23 17:42:19 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
He also fails to acknowledge that recent carrier changes result in an awful lot more micro management of your fighters, meaning that your attention is more focused on not losing fighters then reports from various channels and reporting.

Plenty of tools available that parse the chatlog files and alert you to any danger with sound pings and the like. Your argument is mood.
They don't have to pay attention, they don't even have to be in front of their PC. All they have to do is react when they hear that distinct sound that there is a threat.

AFK cloaking, short of having a wormhole directly in a juicy system with people not paying attention or catching them while they warp to a site, is the only counter we have to local.


I have been in a number of 0.0 alliances and never seen stuff like that, again the assumption is that you think that just because some people have done this everyone has done it, that is certainly not the case.

And WH's are always a threat but most of their players hate getting into interceptors and light stuff which is why they whine so much, though Inner Hell are definitely not like that and catch a ton of stuff.

Provibloc has had it for a while (the tool in question was advertised in GD a week or two ago), the null powerblocks have it and the entirety of the drone regions take this one stop further with automated intel bots.

AFK cloaking is a symptom, not a problem. Treating the symptom won't make the problem go away.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#8631 - 2017-02-23 18:39:15 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
He also fails to acknowledge that recent carrier changes result in an awful lot more micro management of your fighters, meaning that your attention is more focused on not losing fighters then reports from various channels and reporting.

Plenty of tools available that parse the chatlog files and alert you to any danger with sound pings and the like. Your argument is mood.
They don't have to pay attention, they don't even have to be in front of their PC. All they have to do is react when they hear that distinct sound that there is a threat.

AFK cloaking, short of having a wormhole directly in a juicy system with people not paying attention or catching them while they warp to a site, is the only counter we have to local.


I have been in a number of 0.0 alliances and never seen stuff like that, again the assumption is that you think that just because some people have done this everyone has done it, that is certainly not the case.

And WH's are always a threat but most of their players hate getting into interceptors and light stuff which is why they whine so much, though Inner Hell are definitely not like that and catch a ton of stuff.

Provibloc has had it for a while (the tool in question was advertised in GD a week or two ago), the null powerblocks have it and the entirety of the drone regions take this one stop further with automated intel bots.

AFK cloaking is a symptom, not a problem. Treating the symptom won't make the problem go away.


Basically this.

BTW, keep going and soon Dracvald will be ignoring you too. Big smile

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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#8632 - 2017-02-23 20:47:37 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


So long as local exists in the way it currently does we will need AFK cloaking to counter it.


There is no doubt - there should be something done wih AFK cloakers;
My idea is a anchorable in SOV module which ping cloacky ships every 20 minutes, if its afk itll ping his position and ull have like 2 minutes to scan him down;

Or i have other idea - if you are away of keyboard, u should be logged out if u are in space - the only thing when u wont be logged out would be if you are behind a pos forcefield are have modules activated other than cloak OR you have an activate target on (so afk mining would be still possible);


Nope. You should not get intel like this, IMO. You should have to do something other than a one and done thing like anchoring a module. And no fuel doesn't count.

And local needs to go if you are going to be able to find cloakers.

Right now people are not complaining about cloaked ships simply because they can't find them, but that they feel there is nothing they can do in response (which, IMO, is not true, but that has been discussed already, swim back upstream and read about it). No, you should not get increased safety in NS while ratting. It is already safe enough....in fact some could argue it is too safe.



It's really funny like ppl scream around:
GANG MINERS! THEY SHOULD BE AT KEYBOARD WHEN MINING! BLOP THEM!
but then if i say:
If the cloaky ship is AFK, there should be a way to find him in example by anchored module (but ONLY THE AFK ONE) now u said "Nope. You should not get intel like this!"

Funny is how ppl are :)
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#8633 - 2017-02-23 21:02:30 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


So long as local exists in the way it currently does we will need AFK cloaking to counter it.


There is no doubt - there should be something done wih AFK cloakers;
My idea is a anchorable in SOV module which ping cloacky ships every 20 minutes, if its afk itll ping his position and ull have like 2 minutes to scan him down;

Or i have other idea - if you are away of keyboard, u should be logged out if u are in space - the only thing when u wont be logged out would be if you are behind a pos forcefield are have modules activated other than cloak OR you have an activate target on (so afk mining would be still possible);


Nope. You should not get intel like this, IMO. You should have to do something other than a one and done thing like anchoring a module. And no fuel doesn't count.

And local needs to go if you are going to be able to find cloakers.

Right now people are not complaining about cloaked ships simply because they can't find them, but that they feel there is nothing they can do in response (which, IMO, is not true, but that has been discussed already, swim back upstream and read about it). No, you should not get increased safety in NS while ratting. It is already safe enough....in fact some could argue it is too safe.



It's really funny like ppl scream around:
GANG MINERS! THEY SHOULD BE AT KEYBOARD WHEN MINING! BLOP THEM!
but then if i say:
If the cloaky ship is AFK, there should be a way to find him in example by anchored module (but ONLY THE AFK ONE) now u said "Nope. You should not get intel like this!"

Funny is how ppl are :)


Are you sure it is the same people in both cases? Roll

For example, I've often said one of the attractions to mining for some players may very well be the semi-AFK nature of it.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#8634 - 2017-02-23 22:07:46 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
AFK cloaking is a symptom, not a problem. Treating the symptom won't make the problem go away.


AFK cloaky camping is a problem, it is not a symptom. The problem lies in people not playing the game when affecting others.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#8635 - 2017-02-23 22:23:48 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
AFK cloaking is a symptom, not a problem. Treating the symptom won't make the problem go away.


AFK cloaky camping is a problem, it is not a symptom. The problem lies in people not playing the game when affecting others.


Unlike afk miners, afk cloakers do not affect the game in any way. They do not interact with the game at all. The only "problem" is in your head, being a risk-averse coward. Without local, you wouldn't even know he was there and all the automated intel tools that rely on local wouldn't work and we wouldn't have to resort to afk cloaking to counter local and automated tools.

AFK cloaking is a symptom of instant local chat and automated tools. It is not the problem.
No system, however deep in blue space, should ever be 100% safe, but that is exactly what the great majority of nullsec is.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#8636 - 2017-02-23 22:55:21 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
AFK cloaking is a symptom, not a problem. Treating the symptom won't make the problem go away.


AFK cloaky camping is a problem, it is not a symptom. The problem lies in people not playing the game when affecting others.


Unlike afk miners, afk cloakers do not affect the game in any way. They do not interact with the game at all. The only "problem" is in your head, being a risk-averse coward. Without local, you wouldn't even know he was there and all the automated intel tools that rely on local wouldn't work and we wouldn't have to resort to afk cloaking to counter local and automated tools.

AFK cloaking is a symptom of instant local chat and automated tools. It is not the problem.
No system, however deep in blue space, should ever be 100% safe, but that is exactly what the great majority of nullsec is.


You are seriously deluded, so if AFK cloaky campers do not impact the game in any way, why do people do it? You directly contradicted yourself in that sentence above, you do something that has no impact because of local and automated tools, what a marvellous sentence, and I bet you cannot see just how idiotic that post you made was.

AFK cloaky camping is a symtom of not having a forced logoff for inactivity due to people using this to escape, but as there is down time it is a bit moot, you can just leave a ship cloaked until DT and you are fine, so in that affect why not kick someone off the server if inactive for more than an hour while cloaked. Simple and easy.

You mentioned these automated tools, well I would remove all CREST data if I had my way.

Initially I was going to add you to my blocked list, but you make such obviously amusing posts that I will keep reading them, what a joy you truly are, a gift that keeps giving.

It does nothing and we only do nothing because of local and automated tools, wow, just wow... ShockedRollLolLol

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#8637 - 2017-02-23 23:14:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
Dracvlad wrote:
You are seriously deluded, so if AFK cloaky campers do not impact the game in any way, why do people do it? You directly contradicted yourself in that sentence above, you do something that has no impact because of local and automated tools, what a marvellous sentence, and I bet you cannot see just how idiotic that post you made was.

More like you lack the most basic brain capacity to understand the meaning of what I wrote.
How does a person that DOES NOT interact with the game (the meaning of AFK is Away From Keyboard you dumb ****) affect your gameplay?
I could ask a 5 year old and he could give me the correct answer. That person can not affect you in any way because he isn't there. The only thing affecting you is your underdeveloped pea brain that's way too risk-averse to ever do something with even the slightest amount of risk involved.

Dracvlad wrote:
You mentioned these automated tools, well I would remove all CREST data if I had my way.

I also mentioned that they parse the LOGFILES. No API involved.
Reading must be hard. Comprehending even harder. You have proven yourself to be incapable of either.

The person that obviously can't even grasp the most basic logic that I explained to him in a way a child could understand calls me delusional?
You're seriously ********.

I'm not even surprised, because pretty much everything you wrote hinted at you being a intelligence-lacking individual. May I suggest you look into another game? Don't believe CCP has dumbed the game down to your intelligence level yet.

Teckos Pech wrote:
BTW, keep going and soon Dracvald will be ignoring you too. Big smile

And nothing of value would be lost. I did it the other way around now and put him on my ignore list. Delusional underdeveloped people like that can't be reasoned with anyway. They'll reject everything that does not fit their viewpoint and just continue to cry and cry and cry.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#8638 - 2017-02-24 01:44:33 UTC
I predict Dracvlad's list will get longer by 1 name.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#8639 - 2017-02-24 08:39:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Linus Gorp wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
You are seriously deluded, so if AFK cloaky campers do not impact the game in any way, why do people do it? You directly contradicted yourself in that sentence above, you do something that has no impact because of local and automated tools, what a marvellous sentence, and I bet you cannot see just how idiotic that post you made was.

More like you lack the most basic brain capacity to understand the meaning of what I wrote.
How does a person that DOES NOT interact with the game (the meaning of AFK is Away From Keyboard you dumb ****) affect your gameplay?
I could ask a 5 year old and he could give me the correct answer. That person can not affect you in any way because he isn't there. The only thing affecting you is your underdeveloped pea brain that's way too risk-averse to ever do something with even the slightest amount of risk involved.

Dracvlad wrote:
You mentioned these automated tools, well I would remove all CREST data if I had my way.

I also mentioned that they parse the LOGFILES. No API involved.
Reading must be hard. Comprehending even harder. You have proven yourself to be incapable of either.

The person that obviously can't even grasp the most basic logic that I explained to him in a way a child could understand calls me delusional?
You're seriously ********.

I'm not even surprised, because pretty much everything you wrote hinted at you being a intelligence-lacking individual. May I suggest you look into another game? Don't believe CCP has dumbed the game down to your intelligence level yet.

Teckos Pech wrote:
BTW, keep going and soon Dracvald will be ignoring you too. Big smile

And nothing of value would be lost. I did it the other way around now and put him on my ignore list. Delusional underdeveloped people like that can't be reasoned with anyway. They'll reject everything that does not fit their viewpoint and just continue to cry and cry and cry.


Temper temper you delusional person, it is pretty obvious how that person interacts but you chose to pretend it does not exist, so he is not there so I take it that you support an AFK flag then, thank you.

Automated tools, what does that mean? Oh dear... ShockedRoll But I should have added "for example" in front of the CREST part.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#8640 - 2017-02-24 09:00:04 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


Temper temper you delusional person, it is pretty obvious how that person interacts but you chose to pretend it does not exist, so he is not there so I take it that you support an AFK flag then, thank you.


You have yet to address anything they said.