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Lugh Crow-Slave
#21 - 2017-02-16 07:04:12 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
I recommend viewing the full bit from the end of the o7 show. The screen shot that's mostly being passed around is probably the worst angle for the model since the hull blends into the grey background and doesn't show off the shape very well.



no matter the angle it looks thin and weak compared to the current one. to be honest it's probably one of the better angles where the shield generators don't look like stubby arms


To each his or her own. Personally I care more about the shape of the upper deck and less about the shield generators (which I actually like) and that's hard to make out clearly from this screenshot.



i care more about the barren skinny back half that makes the entire thing look weak and lopsided.

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Cade Windstalker
#22 - 2017-02-16 14:48:30 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
To each his or her own. Personally I care more about the shape of the upper deck and less about the shield generators (which I actually like) and that's hard to make out clearly from this screenshot.



i care more about the barren skinny back half that makes the entire thing look weak and lopsided.


There's a little bit that's bare at the tail with the engines, but we don't really have a great angle on that from the recent video, and the old concept seems to have more detail back there. Forward of that is the flight deck, which I personally wouldn't really call bare but that's me.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2017-02-17 00:22:30 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
To each his or her own. Personally I care more about the shape of the upper deck and less about the shield generators (which I actually like) and that's hard to make out clearly from this screenshot.



i care more about the barren skinny back half that makes the entire thing look weak and lopsided.


There's a little bit that's bare at the tail with the engines, but we don't really have a great angle on that from the recent video, and the old concept seems to have more detail back there. Forward of that is the flight deck, which I personally wouldn't really call bare but that's me.


Here's an angle from the bottom and rear that shows the underbelly.
https://i.imgur.com/L2ezEZV.png

There used to be higher resolution photos of the art but I guess they aren't around anymore cause they dont show up on Google.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2017-02-17 04:11:23 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave
#25 - 2017-02-17 14:44:51 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
To each his or her own. Personally I care more about the shape of the upper deck and less about the shield generators (which I actually like) and that's hard to make out clearly from this screenshot.



i care more about the barren skinny back half that makes the entire thing look weak and lopsided.


There's a little bit that's bare at the tail with the engines, but we don't really have a great angle on that from the recent video, and the old concept seems to have more detail back there. Forward of that is the flight deck, which I personally wouldn't really call bare but that's me.



Area behind the flight deck that is thinner than the flight deck and what's in front of it. It makes the engine placement and the apparent center of mass not mesh. It makes the ship look like it would snap itself.

But it no longer bugs me as much as it did and if ccp does add the hangers to the front that close in warp I think I'll call it even when comparing it to the old one

BLOPS Hauler
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Lugh Crow-Slave
#26 - 2017-02-17 14:45:43 UTC
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#27 - 2017-02-23 03:06:23 UTC
Video of the new Chimera on SiSi.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#28 - 2017-02-23 09:01:18 UTC
Problem with a new skin is... its looks almost same as old but its uglier.
Funny is - when CCP do a NEW skin - they look great!

But when they are trying to just do "a little changes" to the old ones - they look like a crap... like the new chimera model..
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#29 - 2017-02-23 09:02:29 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Video of the new Chimera on SiSi.



Geometric brick... wtf is that...
Lugh Crow-Slave
#30 - 2017-02-23 12:48:09 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Video of the new Chimera on SiSi.


thought i was getting used to it


nope this thing is ugly AF

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2017-02-23 14:30:06 UTC
Y'all have wonky taste confirmed. That vid looks great, just an ugly red color as a skin.
Wish amarr skins were that detailed. Hope the maller gets an hd blackbird tier version soon.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#32 - 2017-02-23 14:49:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
thought i was getting used to it
nope this thing is ugly AF

You've convinced me that it needs to die in a horrible fire. Honestly, they should go back to the drawing board for the Chimera and Wyvern... When that white Minmatar carrier on Reddit looks freaking awesome that speaks volumes...

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#33 - 2017-02-23 15:48:25 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Y'all have wonky taste confirmed. That vid looks great, just an ugly red color as a skin.
Wish amarr skins were that detailed. Hope the maller gets an hd blackbird tier version soon.


again ignore the skin we are talking about the model

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Lugh Crow-Slave
#34 - 2017-02-23 15:49:13 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
thought i was getting used to it
nope this thing is ugly AF

You've convinced me that it needs to die in a horrible fire. Honestly, they should go back to the drawing board for the Chimera and Wyvern... When that white Minmatar carrier on Reddit looks freaking awesome that speaks volumes...


... link?

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Cade Windstalker
#35 - 2017-02-23 15:58:50 UTC
IDK I still think the new Chimera looks pretty good.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2017-02-23 16:02:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Matthias Ancaladron
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Y'all have wonky taste confirmed. That vid looks great, just an ugly red color as a skin.
Wish amarr skins were that detailed. Hope the maller gets an hd blackbird tier version soon.


again ignore the skin we are talking about the model

Yeah it's great. Way more detailed than the other races. Not sure why they put so put much detail in caldari.
You even see it in the moa and Caracal design. Those were before they started adding all the detail.
I like the trend just needs to be broader.
It finally looks like a real ship that people would be inside and not a big blocky thing with wings. They just took some of the angles off it so its closer to a rokh as I said above. Still a 9/10 redesign.

If I had any complaint it would be the front end. The only thing I like better about the old Chimera versus the new one is the overhang on the front at the too.
Cade Windstalker
#37 - 2017-02-23 16:16:16 UTC
I don't think it's so much that they're putting more detail into the Caldari ships than the others it's that Caldari has so many old designs that are clearly relics of when Eve ships had like 100 triangles each.

Anyone remember the really really old Scorpion model?

Same goes for the Bantam, Blackbird, Griffin, Condor, Cormorant, Caracal, and Moa.

There are a few other sort of in-between hulls that were re-done as part of previous passes when the graphics were less developed, like the Scorpion and Raven, and the same thing happened with some of the other old ships for other races, like the Maulus for the Gallente.

The main reason Caldari seem to be getting so much love right now is just a combination of the age of their hull designs (so any change is going to be a massive improvement) and just timing. A lot of the real problem ships for other races got caught on earlier passes.

That's not to say that a lot of others don't really need the boost up though. Gallente especially is starting to show its age, and I think there's a lot that could be done with some of the Minmattar or smaller Amarr hulls.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2017-02-23 16:38:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Matthias Ancaladron
http://i.imgur.com/D5a4Qup.png
This is what i was talking about on the Chimera. The overhang highlighted in green.
The only major change is getting rid of the awkward little t rex arms highlighted by red.

Cade Windstalker wrote:
I don't think it's so much that they're putting more detail into the Caldari ships than the others it's that Caldari has so many old designs that are clearly relics of when Eve ships had like 100 triangles each.

Anyone remember the really really old Scorpion model?

Same goes for the Bantam, Blackbird, Griffin, Condor, Cormorant, Caracal, and Moa.

There are a few other sort of in-between hulls that were re-done as part of previous passes when the graphics were less developed, like the Scorpion and Raven, and the same thing happened with some of the other old ships for other races, like the Maulus for the Gallente.

The main reason Caldari seem to be getting so much love right now is just a combination of the age of their hull designs (so any change is going to be a massive improvement) and just timing. A lot of the real problem ships for other races got caught on earlier passes.

That's not to say that a lot of others don't really need the boost up though. Gallente especially is starting to show its age, and I think there's a lot that could be done with some of the Minmattar or smaller Amarr hulls.

Oddly enough I like the old gallente designs more than the newer modernized symmetrical ships.
I hate the algos, talos, hecate theyre all so ugly.Not all of them are winners but the exequror and Dominic redesign came out really well. The art for the imicus and navitas though are straight up bad.
I still dislike the scorpion personally. It looks better now but its too overt. The old model was uglier but I liked the asymetricality of the old one.
I'm not accusing them of favoritism, it's just odd they haven't done this for any of the other old uglt ships that need it. Like the catalyst, prophecy/harbinger. They may not be as bad as some of the old caldari ships which were the blockiest but I'd think they would be doing these groups all at once or spread out among the races evenly. Not just picking several spread out from caldari at the moment.
Like... say get were going to redo all e warfare frigates, or all gallente frigates, then the next race, then the next race and wait to release them all at once.

Chimeras fine and dandy but I think it would be better to say oh btw here's the new rokh, wyvern, raven/scorpion update, dreadnought and the avatar. And now they dont have to worry about these old big blocky ships on caldari side for a while. They onlt have the chimera and everything around it will look out of place.
Cade Windstalker
#39 - 2017-02-23 18:57:34 UTC
Oh, I think I responded before you mentioned the overhang. Yeah I'm kinda 50/50 on whether the new Chimera should preserve that. Not really attached one way or the other. Still going to be one of my favorite ship models either way :)

As near as I can tell the only concept art for the Imicus is years old, from Fanfest 2012, and there were at least 2-3 distinct variations on it. Since that was from before the current Dominix redesign I think I'd hold off on assuming anything about what they're going to do with the Gallente frigates. Personally I kinda like the new Navitas shark look from those drawings but I'm not sold on the Imicus at all. I don't like the current one but more leg-wings is not the answer there.

I think the reason they're focusing so much on Caldari right now is because so many of the Caldari hulls consistently come up from the players as the worst off in terms of looks and design, and focusing like this allows CCP to really hone down the overall design aesthetic and give it a unified feel. The biggest problem with the current Scorpion/Widow design is that it feels out of place IMO. It's sort of at this haflway point between the old semi-animal Caldari aesthetic and the new sleeker and slightly more abstract designs.

The Chimera specifically feels like a test run on doing a new Capital Ship with the new Citadel texture tech as well as translating design elements from smaller hulls up to Capital ones.

As for releases, that's kinda down to personal preference a bit, but it's also easier to make adjustments, figure out issues, and gather feedback when you're releasing things piecemeal. If everyone reacted *really badly* to the new Chimera (which hasn't happened) then they could fairly easily pull it back and re-work it, as well as adjust stuff in the pipeline based on feedback. If they drop a ton of stuff all at onces that's exponentially more wasted work that has to be re-done if they miss the mark with the players.

It would also mean holding back a lot of completed work which would make it look like work on ship redesigns wasn't producing results to the users.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2017-02-23 19:20:14 UTC
I have to admit, I like the look of the old one better. The new one isn't bad looking, it just lacks something, in my opinion. I mean it's a fine looking model, but it's sort of ... meh.

A lot of the other redesigns, I have been super excited about. The Moa, the Domi, etc. This one is just...blah. It's not a terrible model, it's just not a great one.

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