Intergalactic Summit

We had peace. We were happy to leave your Republic alone. And then you decided to attack the Empire.

This is the only thing I see everywhere, especially coming from emo-minmatars.

I prefer ten times clever and reasonable answers, even if biased, like Mr Sadik usually does, than meaningless emotive answers that lead to nowhere, except maybe on more hatred.

Edit : how can you even have a decent discussion with someone yelling at the other party all the insanities in the world ? And this without even mentionning how poorly it performs in terms of public image.

I rarely see people express their point to a level of blunt honesty, I find that it's more likely they'll take sniping cheap shots back and forth instead of coming out and being blunt honest. Even the ones that are trying to pass it off as being polite and reasonable aren't above subtle digs.

Personally I think posting under the influence of alcohol isn't the greatest idea on here, but it offers a level of sincerity without room for confusion that has an admirable trait to it.


Now only if people could be reasonable and blunt honest at the same time. That said topics like this are always going to lead to a rise in temper, not everyone can stay as calm and rational as others.

Actually, it's you who kills them.

Anyways, what if I really want to go down this road with you?
Substance abuse really is not the way forward - especially if it leads to unnecessary suffering for yourself and others.


As Admiral Blake points out rightly it was your so-called republic who started this war.

It was minmatar who attacked CONCORD central, an international and neutral station - leading to great loss of life.

It was minmatar who attacked the Empire without provocation - leading to great loss of life.



Oh and, by the by, unlike you and others PIE actually does care about our slaves. It is for good reason that most members adhere to the strict SPCS guidelines and principles.

Those brave and desperate sixhundred-and-fifty souls chose the safety and prosperity of their true home, the empire, over the squalor of your ill-managed and crime ridden refugee-concentration-camps.

Oh, now, that's a bit of a laugh. We put them on spaceships and flew them into a battleground? Tell me, how precisely did we do that?

And no, you don't want to go down this road -- because until someone in this thread accused me of butchery, I was perfectly content to let sleeping fedo lie.

Whose ships were crewed with slaves in that battle?

Not ours, Laerise. Not ours.

Whose pilots willingly took those slaves into a warzone?

Not ours, Laerise. Not ours.

You can't lay this on us, however much you desperately want to avoid accepting that you got six hundred and fifty people blown into a fine atomic mist not two days ago.

Your ships -- your crew -- flew into a warzone. We didn't force you there, we didn't somehow command your slaves to man those ships.

You did.

So you can take your sanctimonius, holier-than-thou opinions and throw them into the heart of Old Man Star. Because it's not going to work with me.

*Astrid signs off with an angry glare*

It remains a simple and unrefutable truth that most slaves that were kidnapped by the republic, most Ammatar who foolishly left the empire and most of the recently freed slaves of ninth generation and above who went to the republic not knowing better have been better off in the empire than they are now in the republic.

Your ineffectual attempts to paint a humanitarian effort with a tarred brush are evidence enough to your still subhuman point of view on even the most basic realities.




It was not our ships either. The simple fact remains that they, somehow, ended up in a warzone and we made the humanitarian effort to relocate them to a safer place.




It is quite evident that you're the one who is looking for justification here. Unlike you PIE has and will always stand for the protection of the empire and it's godfearing people.




I suggest you spare us all the old and boring routine. Everyone here knows about your lies and historical half truths.

The idiocy of your claims aside I have yet to hear such a hate filled diatribe from my caldari allies - who, we will all agree - actually have been the victims of persecution and even genocide in the past.
Unlike you though they managed to become the most civilized, safe and peaceful faction in the cluster next to the Amarr Empire. I am sure this is in part because they are actually building towards a brighter future, much like the Empire.

Should be noted how foolish the notion of this being a slave fleet instead of a rescue fleet truely is.

If you sit down and think about it, the very idea that we would risk hundreds of millions of isk worth of ships, our crew's lives, and our reputation for ONE sigil worth of slaves (worth less than a million isk) is silly. The markets in Amarr are not that starved, if we where there to simply collect slaves, this would NOT be the way to do it.

So what is worth risking an entire fleet and our crew on? A mission of mercy is really the only option left to you. As God's people we follow God's word. Saving helpless innocents from certain death is a very noble endeavor. Noble enough for PIE to risk a great deal of assets on for sure. I believe a risk we are willing to make again in the future.

Thgil Goldcore
Commodore of PIE
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

So, you're saying that you fit a cargo vessel for a fleet support role, and it's our fault we targeted that potential threat?

Seven pages of discussion because a ship flown during a war was shot down in the course of that war.

Impressive.

My word. Violating the laws of the enemy...in a warzone...in low security space. Scandalous. When did PIE or any other Amarr bow to the will of the Minamatar Empire? Are you so desperate to make any headway against PIE that you resort to...this? What is next? Dresscode violations? Poor penmanship?

PIE has since the outset of the Faction Warfare been nearly synonomous with the 24th Imperial Crusade. I have not looked at the numbers in a long time, but for many years, they were in some ways (based upon the numbers) the "5th" faction. That fact aside, PIE has also been at the forefront of slave rights and helped many later-generation slaves, as decreed by the Empress, make the transition from slave to citizen with the Amarr Empire.

If this is how you seek to discredit the efforts of PIE, Ms. Underking, I suggest you try harder or find more unsavory actvities within the ranks of PIE pilots in good standing. I wish you luck on that endeavor. You will need it.

CMDR. Vaarun Dakurra