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TDF and BTL negotiations fell through, Diplomacy has failed us

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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
The Initiative.
#1 - 2012-01-21 08:59:55 UTC
I called a conference tonight with some of the luminaries from the larger incursion channels. I was glad that the people involved in the conference took their time to speak with me, and you have my thanks. I learned a little bit and also got some good pointers and the guys had awesome ideas and broad viewpoints. Hats off to BTL for a very productive and informative meeting.

We were ready to stop killing the Motherships. The 'demands' made involved no ISK, no threats,and no ultimatums whatsoever. ( I did pander to get personal bribes of course!) All that was required was they participate in a group chat. Unfortunately negotiations have fallen through and TDF has caused us to continue our campaign.

TDF left the talks, while BTL was willing to participate. Given that BLT was willing to talk, and TDF was not, I will be directing my gankers and griefers to focus on TDF targets when possible. While I have no issue with the players who utilize TDF to find fleets, their leadership is solely responsible for the continued 'early' termination of hisec incursions.

To the players in TDF: Your leadership has failed you. They are the sole reason we will continue killing the Moms. If not for their arrogance, you would be able to shortly return to less, or even no interruption in your ability to run incursions 23/7 Had your leaders simply spent 30 minutes in a conference-this thread would have been to announce my withdrawal of support for 'illegal' fleets.

Incursion runners: If you are cross-trained with ability to fly shield and armor ships, I suggest you roll with BTL when possible as we are targeting TDF whenever possible. We still have 15 + logi characters who aren't blacklisted in TDF channel and whose corp histories are not affiliated with Brick, Skunks or Lead Farmers. At some point you may be in a fleet and just not get reps. This action will be aimed at depleting the ship reimbursement fund and causing as many problems in TDF fleets as possible.

To the players who are in BTL: It is a shame that TDF wouldnt talk and you are going to suffer the losses of incursions because of their transgressions. The BTL leadership represented you well and genuinely looked out for your interests. They were spot on and deserve my, and your thanks. Shame it didnt work out. We look forward to contesting the Moms soon.

Hmmm

Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#2 - 2012-01-21 09:05:55 UTC
No logs or anything?
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#3 - 2012-01-21 09:06:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Akrasjel Lanate
Interesting, always thought that armor pilots have more reson than those shield tanking. Blink

Good to hear about your "success"

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Kagan Storm
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-01-21 09:07:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagan Storm
Darius III wrote:
I called a conference tonight with some of the luminaries from the larger incursion channels. I was glad that the people involved in the conference took their time to speak with me, and you have my thanks. I learned a little bit and also got some good pointers and the guys had awesome ideas and broad viewpoints. Hats off to BTL for a very productive and informative meeting.

We were ready to stop killing the Motherships. The 'demands' made involved no ISK, no threats,and no ultimatums whatsoever. ( I did pander to get personal bribes of course!) All that was required was they participate in a group chat. Unfortunately negotiations have fallen through and TDF has caused us to continue our campaign.

TDF left the talks, while BTL was willing to participate. Given that BLT was willing to talk, and TDF was not, I will be directing my gankers and griefers to focus on TDF targets when possible. While I have no issue with the players who utilize TDF to find fleets, their leadership is solely responsible for the continued 'early' termination of hisec incursions.

To the players in TDF: Your leadership has failed you. They are the sole reason we will continue killing the Moms. If not for their arrogance, you would be able to shortly return to less, or even no interruption in your ability to run incursions 23/7 Had your leaders simply spent 30 minutes in a conference-this thread would have been to announce my withdrawal of support for 'illegal' fleets.

Incursion runners: If you are cross-trained with ability to fly shield and armor ships, I suggest you roll with BTL when possible as we are targeting TDF whenever possible. We still have 15 + logi characters who aren't blacklisted in TDF channel and whose corp histories are not affiliated with Brick, Skunks or Lead Farmers. At some point you may be in a fleet and just not get reps. This action will be aimed at depleting the ship reimbursement fund and causing as many problems in TDF fleets as possible.

To the players who are in BTL: It is a shame that TDF wouldnt talk and you are going to suffer the losses of incursions because of their transgressions. The BTL leadership represented you well and genuinely looked out for your interests. They were spot on and deserve my, and your thanks. Shame it didnt work out. We look forward to contesting the Moms soon.



They should just organize sansha militia.... in highsec you get shot by all police except Concord. All 4 militias can shoot you. But you can shoot other player on incursion grids without getting Concorded. And of course all militias anywhere. you loose sec when you shoot non militia in incursion.

If you ask me thats how incursions should have been done.

Problem solved... and would make your life allot easier and give you legitimate in game method of doing stuff you think is right.

CCP please listen to me. Im a sociopathic narcosis egomaniac that usualy has relay good ideas.

Edit for grammer... im in hospital on some realy good drugs. Bear

RP explanation: Sansha is an assh0ll and if you gonna fight for him and do his biding (perpetuate his plans) you are gonna get shot like an ash0ll.

My ego is the the size of my carriers jump range.

Sakura Shiroi
Freelancers' Righteous Escalade
#5 - 2012-01-21 09:45:30 UTC
Daisai wrote:
No logs or anything?


Yea those are definately missing.
I would even get it from "both Sides" to prevent any fiddling with them.


No way to make a proper judgement of the situation without those.
Nanohasan
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-01-21 09:47:23 UTC
Why did brick squad even start killing MOM early?

we made you guys no harm so why bother us in crappy BS like this?
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#7 - 2012-01-21 10:58:56 UTC
Because you are greedy leeches.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
The Initiative.
#8 - 2012-01-21 11:04:16 UTC
Nanohasan wrote:
Why did brick squad even start killing MOM early?

we made you guys no harm so why bother us in crappy BS like this?


We made you no harm either. We protect INNOCENT CIVILIANS from kidnapping by the cruel and evil Sanshas to do horrific medical experiments on. Also confirming TDF forced us to destroy more motherships with their insolent tone and blatant disrespect of their 0.0 overlords.Roll

Hmmm

Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#9 - 2012-01-21 11:04:46 UTC
Nanohasan wrote:
Why did brick squad even start killing MOM early?

we made you guys no harm so why bother us in crappy BS like this?



Its his way of scamming
Dztrgovac
#10 - 2012-01-21 11:07:01 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Because you are greedy leeches.


Dear so full of bull nullsec person from a troll alliance (Boohoo, CCP won't accept our doodle of a alliance logo, one which we intentionally made to troll everyone) ; what possibly makes you say that? Also, please unanchor all your POSes around R32 and R64 moons; that is even greedier leaching of precious nonrenewable game resources. Think of the poor bits and bytes!


I mean what the ****? Someone doing PVE activity designed to grind ISK in order to grind ISK is a "greedy leech". Really? In what reality?
guska Cryotank
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-01-21 11:07:50 UTC
Nanohasan wrote:
Why did brick squad even start killing MOM early?

we made you guys no harm so why bother us in crappy BS like this?

Do you read the forums? It's because incursion runners were abusing the incursion mechanics, and exploiting the broken risk:reward ratio.
Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#12 - 2012-01-21 11:34:47 UTC
Dztrgovac wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Because you are greedy leeches.


Dear so full of bull nullsec person from a troll alliance (Boohoo, CCP won't accept our doodle of a alliance logo, one which we intentionally made to troll everyone) ; what possibly makes you say that? Also, please unanchor all your POSes around R32 and R64 moons; that is even greedier leaching of precious nonrenewable game resources. Think of the poor bits and bytes!


I mean what the ****? Someone doing PVE activity designed to grind ISK in order to grind ISK is a "greedy leech". Really? In what reality?



In a reality that you greedy leeches exploit a game mechanic to extend the life of an incursion to maximise your isk grinding.

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.

Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#13 - 2012-01-21 11:36:29 UTC
Dztrgovac wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Because you are greedy leeches.


Dear so full of bull nullsec person from a troll alliance (Boohoo, CCP won't accept our doodle of a alliance logo, one which we intentionally made to troll everyone) ; what possibly makes you say that? Also, please unanchor all your POSes around R32 and R64 moons; that is even greedier leaching of precious nonrenewable game resources. Think of the poor bits and bytes!


I mean what the ****? Someone doing PVE activity designed to grind ISK in order to grind ISK is a "greedy leech". Really? In what reality?


While this has nothing to do with my alliance, feel free to point on the map where we hold any sov.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#14 - 2012-01-21 12:32:42 UTC
For shame TDF.
I have seen the logs and can confirm that TDF did indeed leave the negotiation table. I think something was mentioned about terrorists?...
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#15 - 2012-01-21 12:40:38 UTC
Darius III wrote:
We were ready to stop killing the Motherships. The 'demands' made involved no ISK, no threats,and no ultimatums whatsoever.

Can't be the only one who's wondering, what were your demands?

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.

Garven Dreis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-01-21 13:40:04 UTC
This is going places.

Terrible Poster Runner-up 2014

AURORA MEDELIN
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-01-21 15:38:46 UTC
Please excuse me, but who were you Mr. Delicious III ?
It's like you're somebody important, or what?
Why you not go to be back in the hole which was until now and stop thinking that we are interested in your monthly cycle.

Your mom Aurora.

Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#18 - 2012-01-21 15:57:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathan Jameson
AURORA MEDELIN wrote:
I...speak English!

I learn it...from a book.


He's from Barcelona...

http://www.wormholes.info

Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#19 - 2012-01-21 16:04:24 UTC
I for one welcome our new High-sec Overlords that watch over us and protect us from the danger of being kidnapped by Sansha for our bodies.

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?

Cozmic Cowboy
First Interstellar Trade
FullTard
#20 - 2012-01-21 16:26:53 UTC
Funny that you say TDF left negotiations and failed anyone... Only failure I see was an invitation to any such talks. Feel free to contact me or major leeconfuzd if you wish to speak with us
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