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Show applied SKIN in shared fitting / killmail
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Jasmin Yeva
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2017-02-23 02:44:44 UTC
When you share in chat the fitting of your ship, applied SKIN don't show up. The same goes for killmails -- if your ship had a SKIN when it was destroyed, it isn't listed in kill report.

It would be great if there would be indicator of applied SKIN in situations like this, so applied SKIN is listed as an item (it would be great to have ship image / icon that depicts your ship with currently applied SKIN, but that can be too much of work).

This will require to make several exceptions, so when other player tries to save, simulate, buy you fit, SKIN won't be added for that player. And exception that SKIN isn't counted in lost/destroyed ISK in killmail.

I'm asking for it because, for example, golden capsule show that it is golden (I know that reason for this is that it's implemented as different item), and it would be great if SKINS will follow the same route. Given that you can spend a lot of time docked or alone in a space -- there's not always much chances to show off your awesome SKIN :)
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2017-02-23 13:07:48 UTC
Could not care less if the SKIN shows up, would rather CCP put a developer on a more important task,
Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
#3 - 2017-02-23 17:46:05 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Could not care less if the SKIN shows up, would rather CCP put a developer on a more important task,

Including SKINs on fittings and killmails may improve the sales numbers of SKINs.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#4 - 2017-02-23 17:53:56 UTC
Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Could not care less if the SKIN shows up, would rather CCP put a developer on a more important task,

Including SKINs on fittings and killmails may improve the sales numbers of SKINs.


i doubt it and it would not be by enough to make it worth it..

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2017-02-23 18:55:34 UTC
On shared fittings, why bother? SKINs are completely personal choices, and have no impact on gameplay.

As far as killmails go, there's literally no reason to include them since it doesn't change the value of the kill in any way.

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Old Pervert
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2017-02-23 20:46:18 UTC
Only if the skins are lost with the ship ;)
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#7 - 2017-02-24 13:52:37 UTC
-1

Kill mails need to go away, since they probably will not we do not need more useless information added to them.
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2017-02-24 13:53:23 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
-1

Kill mails need to go away, since they probably will not we do not need more useless information added to them.


I don't know about that, unless you've got a bunch of losses you'd rather not show up anymore.
Jasmin Yeva
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2017-02-24 22:20:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jasmin Yeva
Oh, come on -- it's cool to share your ship fitted with Blood Raider faction modules that has also a Blood Raider SKIN, and be sure that people can see that.

As of now, visibility of applied SKINs os close to 0% -- and by "visibility" I mean haow easy is for other players to see your SKIN. Most people fly in tactical mode, where other ships are completely obscured by ship icons and interact with them through overview / tagreted ship indicator -- they aren't "Looking At" your ship.

While fittings are shared in chat quite often, so it is logical place to show SKINs.

The killmails also will help others to see your SKIN (or it will allow you to see other's SKIN -- depending on who will win Lol)
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2017-02-25 14:27:39 UTC
Jasmin Yeva wrote:
Oh, come on -- it's cool to share your ship fitted with Blood Raider faction modules that has also a Blood Raider SKIN, and be sure that people can see that.

As of now, visibility of applied SKINs os close to 0% -- and by "visibility" I mean haow easy is for other players to see your SKIN. Most people fly in tactical mode, where other ships are completely obscured by ship icons and interact with them through overview / tagreted ship indicator -- they aren't "Looking At" your ship.

While fittings are shared in chat quite often, so it is logical place to show SKINs.

The killmails also will help others to see your SKIN (or it will allow you to see other's SKIN -- depending on who will win Lol)



Psssssst I don't know why this isn't obvious yet but you're the only one who cares what skin you're using.
Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#11 - 2017-03-01 03:00:13 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Jasmin Yeva wrote:
Oh, come on -- it's cool to share your ship fitted with Blood Raider faction modules that has also a Blood Raider SKIN, and be sure that people can see that.

As of now, visibility of applied SKINs os close to 0% -- and by "visibility" I mean haow easy is for other players to see your SKIN. Most people fly in tactical mode, where other ships are completely obscured by ship icons and interact with them through overview / tagreted ship indicator -- they aren't "Looking At" your ship.

While fittings are shared in chat quite often, so it is logical place to show SKINs.

The killmails also will help others to see your SKIN (or it will allow you to see other's SKIN -- depending on who will win Lol)



Psssssst I don't know why this isn't obvious yet but you're the only one who cares what skin you're using.

I like my Guristas Moa skin. The tan camo and black wing sections look sick.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#12 - 2017-03-01 15:50:31 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
I don't know about that, unless you've got a bunch of losses you'd rather not show up anymore.

General Patton stated the the ONLY thing more important than gaining intel on your enemy was preventing them from gaining intel on you and your capabilities. General Patton was not alone in this it is and always has been standard procedure through out history of disguising or trying to hide your true capabilities. And yet here in EvE not only do we give critical information away to our opponents for free, but we actually openly (as you are here) defend the right / need to do so. As a combat planner in my real life military days this whole concept of giving my opponent free information is idiotic in the extreme and that is the polite I hope it does not get me in trouble with the ISD version.

But you are right the kill boards for my characters suck and I do not care about them. This character is a dedicated care bear with only a few losses and just one kill, I cleared a kill right for a friend so he made it easy. My low sec character is even worse he has just a few kills and more than 100 losses, since he always serves as scout and tackle that is not surprising since I am the one that finds the bubbles, gate camps etc and no matter how good you are as a player if you are the one looking for these things sooner or later they will get you and when they do you rarely have a chance to fight back and take some of them with you.
Jasmin Yeva
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2017-03-02 23:25:40 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:

Psssssst I don't know why this isn't obvious yet but you're the only one who cares what skin you're using.


Ajem Hinken wrote:

I like my Guristas Moa skin. The tan camo and black wing sections look sick.


It's not about whether others care about my SKIN. SKINs are quite often bought to show-off -- so the fact that other people practically won't see it is a huge shortcoming. Because as of now -- you can buy a SKIN but you can't show it to others.

It's like with this corp/alliance ads in stations -- it's not about whether station guests care about ads -- it's about corp/alliances being able to push their message into others. Same with the SKINs -- it's about player being able to push into others' faces the fact that he has SKIN.

And I think that when SKINs would be visible in shared fittings/killmails -- their popularity will raise. Don't underestimate the power of vanity.
Dimitrios Bekas
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2017-03-03 07:28:58 UTC
i agree that showing "SKINS" in linked Killmails would be a good thing to have, and more people would buy more skins.
More and more people would see the skins and maybe think "oh that looks cool i buy one too..."

Not everyone is checking the NewEden Store for new skins or maybe was afk for a month and with a Killmail, they could maybe look at a skin that they really want to get their hands on (as example the Convergence Skin for an Orthrus and not the ugly REDMetallic/Flat one).

People that fly in lowest settings, to have a better view of the battlefield, no lasers, no missiles, and so on...sure don´t care about that Candy Feature. But as it is now, ccp gets some dollarz out of skins, and therefore it would MAKE SENSE to put in some Manpower and have that Feature implemented.

From the outside i would say, all it needs is ICONS for every Skin/Ship Variant.

Those Icons could also then be implemented to show the Skin in your Hangar Window in Stations...it is the same Icon, just in small.

But as the integrated Killmail Window is right now, you wont see the Skins anyway on smaller Ships...bigger Picture or even a 3D Model (perfect if it could be also disabled) in the Killmails, that would make sense.

For sure there are other more important things, but as the fact that Skins bring Money to ccp,...it would be a good thing to have.
Jasmin Yeva
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2017-03-03 12:49:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jasmin Yeva
Dimitrios Bekas wrote:

From the outside i would say, all it needs is ICONS for every Skin/Ship Variant.


Yes, I wrote that having item icons that show applied SKIN would be ideal. Although it probably must be only item icons -- not in-combat icons for locked ships. Because if in-combat icons will have different SKINs it will significantly reduce ability to identify ship by its icon and will lead to confusion.