Player Features and Ideas Discussion

431 pages, special snowflake thinking he has the best idea, lol.

you think this hasn't been discussed before?

too cool to read the whole fcking thread huh?

Nice bluff honey.

Whereas I can understand where you are coming from I have to point out that cloaks offer a very important ability to more casual and smaller groups. Your idea is one thing that people have suggested in the past, but being able to do this every 10 minutes is a bit much and has no cost apart from fuel. I do not want to see active hunting damaged, my issue has always been with the inactive area denial by players who are at work or asleep and who you waste your time baiting, it is incredibly poor game play.

Back to your idea, I would suggest a 24 hour spool up on this so it can only be used against an especially annoying AFK cloaky camper.

The trick in this is getting the balance right.

Thanks for the suggestion and try not to get derailed by the trolls in here, I saw one remove local posted as troll bait for example.

The WH comment as being damaged by your idea has merit, mainly because a lot of game play is based around use of the cloak.

Good post, the reason this subject gets trolled so much is that it is something that people do for an easy life and easy kills. II went back into 0.0 and did some carrier ratting with the new fighter system and the amount of management I had to do to not lose fighters made it fairly difficult to keep an eye on local and on my scout to the degree that I needed to, I realised that carriers are rather vulnerable due to that level of micro-management. So their wails of it is too hard are rather pathetic.

The problem about baiting is that how do you know that your bait is during their active period, and you have set up 10 perhaps 15 players to jump in and wait around for any reaction for 5, 6 or even 10 hours like I have. And after that has happened for a few days people just give up.

However on the flip side cloaks are something that should not be nerfed in my humble opinion, the best thing for me was to flag people as AFK, because really that is the only issue, if they are active and hunting I have no issue what so ever.

Now your idea like the one I replied to above has merit, however it is too easy to use and in my opinion breaks cloaks to a degree that I would find unacceptable. I have moved a BR through hostile space and I use a T3C scout, when I see a gate camp that my BR cannot get through I have to wait it out, when then? Big alliances can drop citadels for safe logistics, but the small guy?

The balance has to be right on this.

and I know its not new. Im simply expressing my variant.

ok, lets say 10 minute reload is realy short. what about 30min is that still not enought to strike? I understand your perspective.
now understand the perspective of the people on the other side.. they want to kill you to continue what they were doing... and they cant.. at the moment the cloaking mechanic simply stops a gang of people, well able to kill you I have to point out, just because a single toon is not able/willing/ready/whatever to strike. and to me that is a balance that is just a way how to bore people out... and that is not good for a game.

so how long do you need to strike? or is it simply the thing you would suddenly become the pray?
and dont get mad, I realy want to know.

This addresses more than AFK cloaking. Why should the game play of ATK cloakers be nerfed?

The other night I was actively hunting down a guy. He was in a gnosis. I had to execute a couple of warps and then still slow boat to him under the cloak. He was at his keyboard, I was at mine. Why should this kind of interaction be nerfed?

Now CCP is most likely, based on hints they've dropped, going to do the following:

1. Remove local.
2. Introduce the observatory array (OA for short).

The OA will have fittings like all new structures and one is almost surely going to let you scan down cloaked ships. Hopefully with a time delay, say 30 minutes or an hour. What could be nice is having that time delay linked to skills of both the cloaked pilot and the scanning pilot so that there is some uncertainty in there.

Now, the active cloaker gets something:

1. A structure they can attack.
2. Local isn't there to instantly scream your presence.

Those afflicted with AFK cloakers also get something:

1. They can scan down cloakers and kill them if they linger too long.

The 24 hour spool up was for your next use, but you use it when you want, the thing is the affect has to be long enough for a half way trained prober to scan down the little AFK snowflake so he can be put to the sword.

I do civilised conversations, most of the people here do not, they will just yell remove local and he is AFK what is the issue like one dweeb just did. In WH space people bring in an invasion force and cloak up and take their time to make it so the defender has no clue and they do it over an extended period of time, leaving people logged off, it increases the risk for them. So if this could be used every ten minutes it will destroy WH play, but the suggestion I gave as every 24 hours would likely not impact it.

Anyway you have to be careful when posting ideas here as the sheer intransigence of certain posters is designed to make you react aggressively and thus invalidate your suggestion, your idea is a good one and has been suggested before, but as I said it requires the right balance. CCP will be developing a class of structure called an OA, one of them will be controlling local in 0.0 sov space. Your suggestion could work as part of that type of structure.

I would advise you to keep suggesting it.

There is no doubt - there should be something done wih AFK cloakers;
My idea is a anchorable in SOV module which ping cloacky ships every 20 minutes, if its afk itll ping his position and ull have like 2 minutes to scan him down;

Or i have other idea - if you are away of keyboard, u should be logged out if u are in space - the only thing when u wont be logged out would be if you are behind a pos forcefield are have modules activated other than cloak OR you have an activate target on (so afk mining would be still possible);

And what is the reason to do something to local?
If u get rid of local u help gankers in high sec which would have easy life killing more freighters;
Same stuff in low sec, which u would never fly again to a gate in case someone would blob it;

If u don't like local - go to wormhole =)