EVE General Discussion

Outside hisec there's no such thing as ganking, just kills. Ganking is a for profit / for tears operation that involves ship loss all round.
If you get killed outside of hisec you haven't been ganked, just murdered.
Why don't more people understand these simple things?

I don't care if you come or not. That's up to you.

It's certainly not my responsibility to convince you of anything, anymore than it's your responsibility to convince me of anything.

All that attitude does prove is that Carebears endlessly think that other players owe them something. We don't.

Wat.

You defeated your own premise.

Local intel is as free and automatic in Player Sov, as it is in HS.
It costs nothing.

Yes, Local in Player Sov is as free and automatic as in HS.

That is against Malcanis' Law, as it would advantage only those specific sub-groups entering via WH, and those capable of jumping to a cyno.

Let's just avoid the point that local intel is as free in hisec as it is in sov-null: advantage, hostile tourist.

Seeing whether or not there's a potential opponent, at times before they even loaded grid and being given ample time to safe up before visual contact is made is not a gameplay issue? Notwithstanding the question of whether it's a good or bad thing, I would still argue that it certainly is a gameplay issue.

The actual lore answer here is that you appear in Local because of a system set up and enforced by CONCORD that registers you on the local communication node when you enter a system. That's why Local in J-space gives the 'error' message that it does. There are none of these nodes in J-space so you don't show up in local until you say something on those frequencies.

The gameplay answer is because being able to cruise through a system and have no clue you passed another person isn't good for conflict, player interaction, or content generation.

Okay, and? Star Trek is running under a different set of assumptions from Eve. Eve has containers that are literally bigger on the inside. They are so hilariously over the bell curve in terms of tech they can basically explain whatever they want however they want.

Also FYI the whole "ships as beacons" thing is how scanning works. That's why the motto of wormholes is "check your D-Scan".

You, Windstalker, you will take this like whether you like it or not.

There are lots of those "compormises to the reality of gameplay". Like how we have timers that don't let us dock in places. I OWN the freaking citidel and it's telling my I can't dock because I shot someone (if my own real life house did that I'd brun it to the ground lol). it doesn't make 'sense' in real life terms, but it's there for GAMEPLAY reasons.

Or how we have the technology to cross light years in seconds but someone haven't figured out how to make the same ship fly in space faster than a 747 can fly in air right now....

Still, I'd be fine with no local in null, if for no other reason that to watch the people who advocated it NOT admit they were wrong when people consolidate into even bigger groups to control that kind of space.

Because those people don't understand human nature. Humans are neither naturally competative or cooperative, we are opportunistic and will compete or cooperate based on what is more advantageous at the moement. THIS is why Dominion Sov created mega-colations and renter empires rather than imspiring more conflcit and more small group play (because in the case of Dominion it cost less to blue each other and cooperate than to compete), the same way that no local would give everyone reasons to blue the hell out of each other again.