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[MITG] Public statement on Operation Ikaheka Freedom
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Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#121 - 2017-02-21 08:03:05 UTC
Not all fighting involves spaceships and munitions. Capsuleers tend to forget that.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#122 - 2017-02-21 12:35:38 UTC
Unfortunatly since I'm not running for the Council this year I can't fight others in the ballot box so there's that option out of the equation.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2017-02-21 13:48:15 UTC
Keramor wrote:
Yo, it's quite simple.
A message was sent. We stick out for our mates, both current and former. **** with one of us and there we go.
Bringing sixty people to to kill the Astrahus of a twenty man humanitarian corperation.

What a badass. You really showed everyone how not to **** with you.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#124 - 2017-02-21 14:00:12 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Keramor wrote:
Yo, it's quite simple.
A message was sent. We stick out for our mates, both current and former. **** with one of us and there we go.
Bringing sixty people to to kill the Astrahus of a twenty man humanitarian corperation.

What a badass. You really showed everyone how not to **** with you.


I remember PL living in Amammake dropping capital and black ops fleets on T1 militia cruisers.

Pilots living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Merchant Rova
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#125 - 2017-02-21 14:05:42 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
Ayallah wrote:
Keramor wrote:
Yo, it's quite simple.
A message was sent. We stick out for our mates, both current and former. **** with one of us and there we go.
Bringing sixty people to to kill the Astrahus of a twenty man humanitarian corperation.

What a badass. You really showed everyone how not to **** with you.


I remember PL living in Amammake dropping capital and black ops fleets on T1 militia cruisers.

Pilots living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

They didn't have a post bragging about it.

RIP Merchant Rova's cheekbones, YC118-YC119. Forever in our hearts.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#126 - 2017-02-21 14:09:32 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
This discourse is growing even more pointless. Certain elements here a very vocal in Sanxings defence and are casting aspersions on the character of some of Sanxings adversaries.

The following is my personal view:

Reflecting on my own experience from a time outside of MITG/MCF1B I recall a situation I experienced in another Corporation. A theif had infiltrated the Corporation and cleared out most of the groups communal assets over 20 Billion ISK all told and had destroyed some of the Corporations infrastructure on the way out. The CEO and XO were devastated and reassured the members that things would be ok and that time would be needed to repair our fortunes. Morale initially was hit hard, if one of us could do this how many other members could be trusted? The members and officers however banded together despite leaderships protests that they should be the ones to shoulder responsibility and donated extra time, personal assets and ISK directly back into the Corporation that had looked after them so well in the past. Our allies expressed their sympathies and provided logistical aid where possible. All of this was whilst being enlisted in the TLF, having to prosecute a war and living in Low Security space. The Corporation pulled together under solid leadership, genuine loyalty from members, a positive attitude and ultimately became the most powerful TLF enlisted Corporation for a time.

This situation in contrast, was a CONCORD sanctioned attack where Sanxings adversaries engaged them over the course of a week without duplicity. Sanxing had the mandatory grace period before hostilities commenced to make what preparations it could. One small Citadel (which may have been donated to Sanxing in the first place) and some other minor in space assets were destroyed totalling a fraction of the damage my old corporation suffered due to internal sabotage. If Sanxing could not recover from this up front engagement and its allies besides the Minmatar (who I beleive suffered more ISK losses than Sanxing) would not come to their military aid over the course of a week or financial/leadership aid subsequently then perhaps you should focus on what exactly the virtues of this Corporation are you are so vehemently defending here, where words are cheap and your physical actions in its defence are sorely lacking.

Say what you want about MITG or others. We stand up for our members, our leaders and our associates in good standing. The level of support for Sanxing here on the IGS compared to the practical help they received or are receiving is appalling. Likewise the military action taken can not be portrayed as anything other than a minor inconvenience to a Corporation led well, with loyal members and the support of allies and friends. Especially as you know from our official statement that MITG are happy to regard hostilities as ceased.

Consider the above carefully and ask are you a sort of friend like MITG or I-RED or Electus Matari? Or are you simply some moralising bystander willing to give every support to your friends short of actually helping.

Once again this is my personal view and I do not presume to speak for any other entity.

Moralising comes not 'cause of violent solution that was chosen, but 'cause of window dressing it as defence of honor and making a questionable decision to solve it while there were other possibilities still open.

Also to a degree cast a bad light on a person whose honor was defended. Then again damsel's honor could be defended for less at times, so yeah.
Syenna Celeste
Sunny Weather Mercenaries
The Initiative.
#127 - 2017-02-21 14:23:29 UTC
Merchant Rova wrote:
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
Ayallah wrote:
Keramor wrote:
Yo, it's quite simple.
A message was sent. We stick out for our mates, both current and former. **** with one of us and there we go.
Bringing sixty people to to kill the Astrahus of a twenty man humanitarian corperation.

What a badass. You really showed everyone how not to **** with you.


I remember PL living in Amammake dropping capital and black ops fleets on T1 militia cruisers.

Pilots living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

They didn't have a post bragging about it.


You've made a lot of noise in this thread, for a random neutral party with no discernible connection to any of the parties involved.

What's your home J-sig? Asking for a friend, you understand.

Put your hands around my heart and squeeze me until I'm dry.
Merchant Rova
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2017-02-21 14:28:53 UTC
Syenna Celeste wrote:
You've made a lot of noise in this thread, for a random neutral party with no discernible connection to any of the parties involved.

What's your home J-sig? Asking for a friend, you understand.

First off, I've done a tiny bit of work with Sanxing before and I would consider Xun an acquaintance.

Second off, if you were actual wormholers, you'd be able to find that J-tag without having to ask.

RIP Merchant Rova's cheekbones, YC118-YC119. Forever in our hearts.
Syenna Celeste
Sunny Weather Mercenaries
The Initiative.
#129 - 2017-02-21 14:34:14 UTC
Merchant Rova wrote:

Second off, if you were actual wormholers, you'd be able to find that J-tag without having to ask.


We already know it - The question was a courtesy.

Looking forward to seeing you in space. I'll have someone start up the freezers in anticipation - I'll want whichever of your clones we catch you in for posterity.

Put your hands around my heart and squeeze me until I'm dry.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#130 - 2017-02-21 16:18:37 UTC
Evicting that guy out of his wormhole because he said something you did not like to hear within a page of "we do this to take care of our own."

Having found their sixty kilos Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group proceeds to take pleasure in throwing its weight around. Maybe next you will target highsec miners or one of those ten man FW lowsec corperations.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#131 - 2017-02-21 16:47:43 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Can someone explain to me what a humanitarian organization is? Just so we're on the same page.

Edit: I know I can be flippant. However, I would like to actually know what you mean by humanitarian organization. What defines it specifically?

It varies.
What it means when we describe Sanxing as a humanitarian organization:
Sanxing was created specifically to administer humanitarian aid to the population of the Jin-Mei homeplanet. The aid came from numerous parties through the Villore Assembly - the job of Sanxing was to disburse it. When the relief effort contributed to the Jin-Mei civil war reaching a ceasefire, our new jobs were to help rebuild and to facilitate peace negotiations. The rebuilding hasn't really depended on interstellar support for a little while now, and our facilitations are well in place, so we turned our capsuleer activity to nurturing the prosperity and security of Lirsautton, Ysiette, and the wider Federation when possible. All the while, our internal policies were designed to prioritize baseliner lives and concerns.

It was never for its own sake that Sanxing existed.

Thank you for your answer. I will probably move this to it's own thread.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#132 - 2017-02-21 16:52:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalaratiri
Ayallah wrote:
Evicting that guy out of his wormhole because he said something you did not like to hear within a page of "we do this to take care of our own."

Having found their sixty kilos Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group proceeds to take pleasure in throwing its weight around. Maybe next you will target highsec miners or one of those ten man FW lowsec corperations.


Ah yes. The threat of simple combat is now directly equivalent to evicting someone from their wormhole.

Glad we're keeping this free of hyperbole.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#133 - 2017-02-21 17:00:37 UTC
So she asked what his home J-sig was, then backpedaled and said she already knew but wanted him to know they were coming for him and ended with 'see you in space'

And interpreting that as the threat of eviction is hyperbole?


Maybe I just imagine when people make threats they mean them.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#134 - 2017-02-21 17:05:45 UTC
Due to the mechanics of living in different classes, the only way Miss Syenna is ever likely to get to engage in combat with him or his corp is by engaging in their home. This isn't difficult to comprehend.

Spirits, I'd be surprised if he came to hers.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#135 - 2017-02-21 17:15:15 UTC
If she wanted to find him she would have run a locator agent. The threat was clear in its intent.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Syenna Celeste
Sunny Weather Mercenaries
The Initiative.
#136 - 2017-02-21 17:56:11 UTC
Ayallah wrote:

Maybe I just imagine when people make threats they mean them.


You're the only person using the word eviction here. Does PL call it an Invasion every time they want a fight with another group?

Put your hands around my heart and squeeze me until I'm dry.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#137 - 2017-02-21 17:56:21 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Maybe I just imagine when people make threats they mean them.


Careful with that. I did exactly that and now, apparently, I am a very mean man who doesn't care about baseliners. (You know, except for all the humanitarian work the Tuulinen Foundation does and has done.)

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Keramor
Yuan-Ladazir Integrated Armament
#138 - 2017-02-21 18:04:50 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Bringing sixty people to to kill the Astrahus of a twenty man humanitarian corperation.

What a badass. You really showed everyone how not to **** with you.

And who lit your fuse? Pissed that we're not talking about your highness enough? Well, tough luck.
That aside you're discounting the assorted up to 200+ in GMVA and E'M that were a wee bit involved. It's fine, easy to miss and makes less catchy lines.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2017-02-21 18:26:18 UTC
Keramor wrote:
And who lit your fuse?


Syenna Celeste wrote:
You're the only person using the word eviction here. Does PL call it an Invasion every time they want a fight with another group?


I am only here for the good fights.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#140 - 2017-02-21 19:02:06 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Careful with that. I did exactly that and now, apparently, I am a very mean man who doesn't care about baseliners. (You know, except for all the humanitarian work the Tuulinen Foundation does and has done.)


Aww, did the widdle hisec beaws scare you?

If a child or cripple comes waving their fist at me, would you think me justified if I started pounding on them? Maybe it'd be okay because I do humanitarian work? I mean, the two surely cancel each other out, somehow?

You're not going to be able to make your actions justified no matter how hard you pretend this was proportionate response.