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[MITG] Public statement on Operation Ikaheka Freedom
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Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#81 - 2017-02-20 19:04:58 UTC
Yes, silencing uncomfortable people with violence is pretty much a tradition out here, isn't it? So much 'hand wringing' and 'breast beating' over simple violent thuggery, tsk tsk.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#82 - 2017-02-20 19:19:49 UTC
Pearl clutching. You forgot pearl clutching.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#83 - 2017-02-20 19:22:11 UTC
And I don't even have a fainting couch handy.
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#84 - 2017-02-20 19:29:55 UTC
For the record, Sanxing had no intention of using violence against Akagi/I-RED.
Our "unacceptable ultimatum": dismiss the disputed individual from the shelter of Akagi/I-RED within seven days. Our measured and civilized idea of consequences: public release of the details of what the individual did and no possibility of positive relations with I-RED in the future. (By now people can piece together from this thread what was done and by whom anyway.)
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#85 - 2017-02-20 19:48:57 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
(By now people can piece together from this thread what was done and by whom anyway.)


They can ? But that sounds like effort.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#86 - 2017-02-20 19:54:01 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
And I don't even have a fainting couch handy.

I have one, and cute Ni-Kunni interns to fan me when I get the vapors.

I should start selling pearl necklaces. I could make a fortune in the high-sec capsuleer market.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#87 - 2017-02-20 20:05:31 UTC
Mika Firestorm wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Kim-hanni. Go to your room. Think about what you've done.

Spank her! No, really, do it. I think sometimes she just does stuff only for someone to catch her and punish. What is even worse, she won't stop while she is formally right, even disregarding that morally she might be terribly wrong. Until someone will catch her and spank, of course.

Phrasing

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#88 - 2017-02-20 20:15:21 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Yes, silencing uncomfortable people with violence is pretty much a tradition out here, isn't it? So much 'hand wringing' and 'breast beating' over simple violent thuggery, tsk tsk.

What's hilarious is a Monster accusing me and my kirjuun of being violent thugs. Yes, we are. Yes, YOU are. Pretty much everyone who has spoken is.

You're capsuleers. You kill for money. You kill for status. You kill for friends. You kill for hate. You kill for love. You kill for fun. Winds help me, many of you kill because you can.

Now these people you apparently approve of were killed because they threatened someone who answered those threats in a way that seems to have been unanticipated. I'm amazed it was unanticipated. I'm not surprised it ended the way it ended. I am incredibly surprised that hired killers, criminals and paramilitaries are so shocked, though.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#89 - 2017-02-20 20:38:40 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Yes, silencing uncomfortable people with violence is pretty much a tradition out here, isn't it? So much 'hand wringing' and 'breast beating' over simple violent thuggery, tsk tsk.

What's hilarious is a Monster accusing me and my kirjuun of being violent thugs. Yes, we are. Yes, YOU are. Pretty much everyone who has spoken is.

You're capsuleers. You kill for money. You kill for status. You kill for friends. You kill for hate. You kill for love. You kill for fun. Winds help me, many of you kill because you can.

Now these people you apparently approve of were killed because they threatened someone who answered those threats in a way that seems to have been unanticipated. I'm amazed it was unanticipated. I'm not surprised it ended the way it ended. I am incredibly surprised that hired killers, criminals and paramilitaries are so shocked, though.


Nothing shocking nor unexpected about it. This is pretty much exactly what I expected, given the histories of the people involved and what's been made public here. The thing is though, that's not what the shameless pretense earlier on says, is it? "Oh my, the 'honor' of one of our locusts was impugned, blah blah" and so on isn't exactly the truth, is it?

The simple fact of the matter is that diplomatic words were met with violence and topped off with a nice little chest beating cherry on top. The justification, "oh no, someone actually threatened to say something mean but true about someone! TO WAR!". This is not the norm, no matter how much you like to pretend everyone else is as devoid of decency as you claim. These people, like the targets or those who came to their aid, are demonstrably people who don't take such measures and when you look around highsec there's a hell of a lot more of them than there are of us 'monsters'.

They just don't get the same notoriety or screentime, since they're quite simply a lot more boring.

They do constitute more of a norm than what's been on display right here, and you pretending otherwise is disingenuous at best. Be a monster, I don't really care as I'm not much better in that regard myself. Just stop trying to drag the rest of New Eden down with us, because we really aren't the norm.

That's the difference here, and the reason you and yours deserve little more than loathing. You're not even capable of being honest anymore.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#90 - 2017-02-20 21:29:07 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:

Nothing shocking nor unexpected about it. This is pretty much exactly what I expected, given the histories of the people involved and what's been made public here. The thing is though, that's not what the shameless pretense earlier on says, is it? "Oh my, the 'honor' of one of our locusts was impugned, blah blah" and so on isn't exactly the truth, is it?


Yes, yes. And you kill Amarr for 'liberty' you filthy terrorist.

Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
The simple fact of the matter is that diplomatic words were met with violence and topped off with a nice little chest beating cherry on top. The justification, "oh no, someone actually threatened to say something mean but true about someone! TO WAR!". This is not the norm, no matter how much you like to pretend everyone else is as devoid of decency as you claim. These people, like the targets or those who came to their aid, are demonstrably people who don't take such measures and when you look around highsec there's a hell of a lot more of them than there are of us 'monsters'.


an ultimatum is chest beating. The ultimatum came with a hard deadline and vague consequences. I-Red and Akagi decided to go to war once the deadline for the ultimatum expired - this was felt to be a proper response to the fact that a filthy foreigner felt he could make demands and threats like that.

Now we're told the consequences were economic. Well, given the lack of casualties, one could say that this is true on both sides.

Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
They just don't get the same notoriety or screentime, since they're quite simply a lot more boring.

They do constitute more of a norm than what's been on display right here, and you pretending otherwise is disingenuous at best. Be a monster, I don't really care as I'm not much better in that regard myself. Just stop trying to drag the rest of New Eden down with us, because we really aren't the norm.

That's the difference here, and the reason you and yours deserve little more than loathing. You're not even capable of being honest anymore.


I think you have so much blood in your eyes that you don't even know what truth is, anymore, Miz. If you don't know me well enough to know I've been honest with you, damned if your opinion about me matters all that much.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#91 - 2017-02-20 21:44:49 UTC
I'm a monster, Pieter. This isn't news and not an argument that wins you any points. So are you and particularly certain associates of yours. The reason I consider you dishonest is that you claim your targets and other such entities are just as bad as we are.

This is demonstrably not true and smacks all too much of an attempt to justify yourself by dragging those better people down so they suddenly become 'valid' targets.

If you think you've been honest with me, then you're being dishonest with yourself.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#92 - 2017-02-20 21:51:08 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Probably was going around Yakening things up, as usual.

If you are right, then it is explainable why they don't want to give details. They have said they were defending honor, but Yaken is the one who doesn't have it, he is the one of the most disgraced pseudo-mercenaries our cluster knew, and if this situation indeed turned out to be a result of Yaken's another betrayal, that would mean that Akagi hit a new level of low.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#93 - 2017-02-20 21:57:37 UTC
Sandbags!

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#94 - 2017-02-20 22:06:21 UTC
Ma'am, Yes, Ma'am!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#95 - 2017-02-20 22:24:38 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
I'm a monster, Pieter. This isn't news and not an argument that wins you any points. So are you and particularly certain associates of yours. The reason I consider you dishonest is that you claim your targets and other such entities are just as bad as we are.

This is demonstrably not true and smacks all too much of an attempt to justify yourself by dragging those better people down so they suddenly become 'valid' targets.

If you think you've been honest with me, then you're being dishonest with yourself.


Well, if it comes to that, I'm fairly sure I've seen those pilots you're talking about in the FDU. As far as I'm concerned, that makes them every bit as despicable as anyone I fly with.

Tools of the oppressors and all that.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#96 - 2017-02-20 22:49:18 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Probably was going around Yakening things up, as usual.

If you are right, then it is explainable why they don't want to give details. They have said they were defending honor, but Yaken is the one who doesn't have it, he is the one of the most disgraced pseudo-mercenaries our cluster knew, and if this situation indeed turned out to be a result of Yaken's another betrayal, that would mean that Akagi hit a new level of low.

It's all in the first post Mrs Kim. Former Pyre brother joined Akagi, his former CEO was Taisho Xun Yu of Sanxing, it is as specific as it can be.
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#97 - 2017-02-20 23:17:50 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Well, if it comes to that, I'm fairly sure I've seen those pilots you're talking about in the FDU. As far as I'm concerned, that makes them every bit as despicable as anyone I fly with.

Tools of the oppressors and all that.

Excuse me, which pilots?
Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#98 - 2017-02-20 23:41:48 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
For the record, Sanxing had no intention of using violence against Akagi/I-RED.
Our "unacceptable ultimatum": dismiss the disputed individual from the shelter of Akagi/I-RED within seven days. Our measured and civilized idea of consequences: public release of the details of what the individual did and no possibility of positive relations with I-RED in the future. (By now people can piece together from this thread what was done and by whom anyway.)



Is no one going to mention this or is this too inconvenient to consider for all the warring done?

(Kolodi, you may as well do this anyway.)

I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#99 - 2017-02-20 23:56:19 UTC
Why should we have waited to see what Sanxing considered to be "appropriate" consequences after a threat was made?

If someone threatens unspecified revenge and you have the opportunity to remove the threat, why wouldn't you?

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#100 - 2017-02-21 00:08:09 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
Why should we have waited to see what Sanxing considered to be "appropriate" consequences after a threat was made?

If someone threatens unspecified revenge and you have the opportunity to remove the threat, why wouldn't you?


Now I'm wondering why the "we" you speak of would be worried about a humanitarian corporation. Oh no, watch out, a press release! Hard Knocks is doomed.

I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.